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To: royalcello; Unam Sanctam
No. I--and, I suspect, LOTI--prefer Christian monarchy, the last significant example of which (the Austro-Hungarian empire) was destroyed thanks in part to the United States in 1918.

You are correct, royalcello. Unam gave me a choice between two evils, neither of which I choose as "models".

19 posted on 12/12/2004 4:15:26 PM PST by Land of the Irish (Tradidi quod et accepi)
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To: Land of the Irish; royalcello
Classic "either / or" sales tactic. Modernists always employ this one.

In fact, most of Modernism consists of a bag of cheap sales tricks. It's a yawner after it becomes too familiar.

22 posted on 12/12/2004 4:21:44 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: Land of the Irish; royalcello

Good luck in your program of a Christian monarchy. Given that there is not a chance of a snowball in heck that such a thing would be voted in peacefully in these United States, I guess you would have to destroy democracy by force. Are you going to get a bunch of brownshirts together and have an antidemocratic putsch? I'm glad to know that not only do you reject the legitimate authority of the Pope, you also reject the legitimate authority of the Constitution of the United States. The Catholic Church can thrive under a regime of true freedom of religion, and has done so in the past, even here in the United States, whose constitutional structure you so despise. Sure, join the Church and state together -- it has worked out so well for the Church throughout history. Emperor Joseph of Austria was quite the reformer -- closing monasteries right and left and "reforming" the Church as he sees fit. And I guess you like the Erastianism of the Eastern Orthodox Churches and the Anglican Churches as well. Yes, and particularly with the left in ascendant in Western nations -- yeah, that's a great idea -- let's wed the Church and the state. Just see for how many seconds it will take for the state to start restructuring the Church and telling it what to do -- bless same sex "marriages" and abortions. I bet you'll love people like Spanish Prime Minister Zapatero and John Kerry restructuring the Church under the union of Church and State under a modern Christian monarchy -- real practical folks you are, with practical solutions to protect the Church in the modern world, I must say!


37 posted on 12/12/2004 5:16:04 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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