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To: Unam Sanctam; sitetest
Since Tolkien said that he favored "'unconstitutional' monarchy," he clearly had something rather different in mind than the modern powerless British monarchy, which has no practical ability to check democratic forces when they get out of control. Why is the tyranny of the mob preferable to the tyranny of a king? Are not the same human weaknesses that many kings have exhibited just as present in ordinary voters, with different but still unfortunate results? Yes, it is difficult to get rid of a bad king. But it is even more difficult to convert or get rid of a bad electorate. Without an effective monarchy and a real House of Lords (the latter destroyed by Tony Blair in 1999), how does one limit the power of the people in a country like Britain where a large majority apparently believe that foxhunting should be illegal but abortion should be legal?

(I do not know what HM Queen Elizabeth II's opinion on abortion is. However, it is clear that the royal family do not approve of the tyrannical fox-hunting ban, and the Queen has at least privately raised questions about the surrender of Britain's sovereignty to the EU. But given the modern era's worship of "democracy," there is nothing she can do.)

101 posted on 12/12/2004 6:47:39 PM PST by royalcello
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To: royalcello
Why is the tyranny of the mob preferable to the tyranny of a king?

A well established republic has minority protections and checks and balances. There is hardly a "tyranny of the mob" present in America -- most of the populace obeys the rules of the constitutional order. Abortion can be imposed by unelected powers (like judges here) just as well as democratic majorities. That is a specific moral issue on which to fight within the constitutional structure. To overthrow all popular civil rights on that one basis is ridiculous. Autocracy is a crapshoot. In most autocracies, there is a civil war between reigns and sometimes in the midst of them. Even in traditional Europe, where rules of legitimate succession evolved over time, there were sometimes problems.

104 posted on 12/12/2004 6:54:32 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: royalcello

Dear royalcello,

"Since Tolkien said that he favored "'unconstitutional' monarchy," he clearly had something rather different in mind than the modern powerless British monarchy, which has no practical ability to check democratic forces when they get out of control.":

I will agree that if a country is going to go through all the trouble of having a real, honest-to-goodness monarchy, it ought to have something more than the enfeebled "constitutional monarchy" currently in place in the United Kingdom.

Yet, one might argue that the historical forces that made the British monarchy worthwhile all ultimately enfeebled it, as well. The very checks on power that you cite - common law, judiciary (not even the king is above the law), parliament, etc., seem to have slowly, but inexorably narrowed the ambit of action available to the British monarch.

Then again, maybe we can lay all the blame for that at Henry VIII's feet, too. ;-)


sitetest


107 posted on 12/12/2004 6:57:13 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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