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To: DoorGunner

"They are not all Israel who are called Israel..."


18 posted on 12/11/2004 4:10:42 PM PST by Frumanchu (I fear the sanctions of the Mediator far above the sanctions of the moderator...)
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To: Frumanchu

"They are not all Israel who are called Israel..."

 I am not certain of your point. Here are both your and my passages, in substantial context. Since some have become confused by the various pronouns used here. Thus, I have taken the liberty of making those referring to the Jews RED, and those referring to Gentile believers in BLUE. I probably have made some mistakes, and am willing to be corrected.

 

Romans 9

[Solicitude for Israel]

 1(A)I am telling the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit,

 2that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart.

 3For (B)I could wish that I myself were (C)accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen (D)according to the flesh,

[Paul's "brethren," his "kinsmen according to the FLESH," is Israel. They are the actual physical Israel, Israel in the FLESH. (AKA, the Jews)]

 4who are (E), to whom belongs (F)the adoption as sons, and (G)the glory and (H)the covenants and (I)the giving of the Law and (J)the temple service and (K)the promises,

 5whose are (L)the fathers, and (M)from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, (N)who is over all, (O)God (P)blessed forever. Amen.

[As to "the flesh," Yeshua (Jesus)is of the Jews, an Israelite.]

 

 6But it is not as though (Q)the word of God has failed (R)For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;

 7nor are they all children (S)because they are Abraham's descendants, but: "(T)THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED."

 8That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are (U)children of God, but the (V)children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

[Although Esau was a child (descendant) of Abraham. (of the flesh) Esau's descendents were NOT "children of the promise." Thus, they were not regarded as Abraham's "descendants."]

 

 9For this is the word of promise: "(W)AT THIS TIME I WILL COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON."

 10(X)And not only this, but there was (Y)Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac;

 11for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that (Z)God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,

 12it was said to her, "(AA)THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER."

 13Just as it is written, "(AB)JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."

 14(AC)What shall we say then? (AD)There is no injustice with God, is there? (AE)May it never be!

 15For He says to Moses, "(AF)I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."

["children of the promise..."]

 

 16So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who (AG)runs, but on (AH)God who has mercy.

 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "(AI)FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH."

 18So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He (AJ)hardens whom He desires.

 19(AK)you will say to me then, "(AL)Why does He still find fault? For (AM)who resists His will?"

 20On the contrary, who are you, (AN)O man, who (AO)answers back to God? (AP)The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?

 21Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?

 22What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much (AQ)patience vessels of wrath (AR)prepared for destruction?

 23And He did so to make known (AS)the riches of His glory upon (AT)vessels of mercy, which He (AU)prepared beforehand for glory,

 24even us, whom He also (AV)called, (AW)not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.

 25As He says also in Hosea, "(AX)I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, 'MY PEOPLE,' AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, 'BELOVED.'"

  26"(AY)AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM 'YOUARE NOT MY PEOPLE,' THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF (AZ)THE LIVING GOD."

 27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, "(BA)THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF Israel BE (BB)LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS (BC)THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED;

 28(BD)FOR THE LORD WILL EXECUTE HIS WORD ON THE EARTH, THOROUGHLY AND QUICKLY."

 29And just as Isaiah foretold, "(BE)UNLESS (BF)THE LORD OF SABAOTH HAD LEFT TO US A POSTERITY(BG)WE WOULD HAVE BECOME LIKE SODOM, AND WOULD HAVE RESEMBLED GOMORRAH."

 30(BH)What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even (BI)the righteousness which is by faith;

 31but Israel, (BJ)pursuing a law of righteousness, did not (BK)arrive at that law.

 32Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. they stumbled over (BL)the stumbling stone,

 33just as it is written, "(BM)BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION (BN)A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE, (BO)AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM (BP)WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."

 

 

Romans 10

[The Word of Faith Brings Salvation]

 1Brethren, my heart's desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation.

 2For I testify about them that they have (A)a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

 3For not knowing about (B)God's righteousness and (C)seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

 4For (D)Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to (E)everyone who believes.

 5For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law (F)shall live by that righteousness.

 6But (G)the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: "(H)DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?' (that is, to bring Christ down),

 7or 'WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE (I)ABYSS?' (that is, to (J)bring Christ up from the dead)."

 8But what does it say? "(K)THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

 9that (L)if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and (M)believe in your heart that (N)God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

 10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

 11For the Scripture says, "(O)WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."

 12For (P)there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is (Q)Lord of (R)all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

 13for "(S)WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

 14How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him (T)whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without (U)a preacher?

 15How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "(V)HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO (W)BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!"

 16However, they (X)did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "(Y)LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?"

 17So faith comes from (Z)hearing, and hearing by (AA)the word of Christ.

 18But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "(AB)THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD."

 19But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says, "(AC)I WILL (AD)MAKE YOU JEALOUS BY THAT WHICH IS NOT A NATION, BY A NATION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WILL I ANGER YOU."

 20And Isaiah is very bold and says, "(AE)I WAS FOUND BY THOSE WHO DID NOT SEEK ME, I BECAME MANIFEST TO THOSE WHO DID NOT ASK FOR ME."

 21But as for Israel He says, "(AF)ALL THE DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HANDS TO A DISOBEDIENT AND OBSTINATE PEOPLE."

 

 

Romans 11

[Israel Is Not Cast Away]

 1I say then, God has not (A)rejected His people, has He? (B)May it never be! For (C)I too am an , a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

[According to the FLESH]

 2God (D)has not rejected His people whom He (E)foreknew (F)Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

 3"Lord, (G)THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE."

 4But what is the divine response to him? "(H)I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL."

 5In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time (I)a remnant according to God's gracious choice.

 6But (J)if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

 7What then? What (K)Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were (L)hardened;

 8just as it is written, "(M)GOD GAVE them A SPIRIT OF STUPOR, EYES TO SEE NOT AND EARS TO HEAR NOT, DOWN TO THIS VERY DAY."

 9And David says, "(N)LET their TABLE BECOME A SNARE AND A TRAP, AND A STUMBLING BLOCK AND A RETRIBUTION TO them.

  10"(O)LET their EYES BE DARKENED TO SEE NOT, AND BEND their BACKS FOREVER."

 11(P)I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? (Q)May it never be! But by their transgression (R)salvation has come to the Gentiles, to (S)make them jealous.

 12Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their (T)fulfillment be!

 13But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as (U)I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

 14if somehow I might (V)move to jealousy (W)my fellow countrymen and (X)save some of them.

[Paul's "fellow countrymen" were the Jews.]

 

 15For if their rejection is the (Y)reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but (Z)life from the dead?

 16If the (AA)first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.

 17But if some of the (AB)branches were broken off, and (AC)you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

 18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that (AD)it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

 19(AE)you will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."

 20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you (AF)stand by your faith (AG)Do not be conceited, but fear;

 21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

 22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's (AH)kindness, (AI)if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also (AJ)will be cut off.

 23And they also, (AK)if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

 24For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

 25For (AL)I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this (AM)mystery--so that you will not be (AN)wise in your own estimation--that a partial (AO)hardening has happened to Israel until the (AP)fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

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 26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "(AQ)THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."

  27"(AR)THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH them(AS)WHEN I TAKE AWAY their SINS."

 28From the standpoint of the gospel they are (AT)enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for (AU)the sake of the fathers;

 29for the gifts and the (AV)calling of God (AW)are irrevocable.

[Notice that Paul is speaking about the Jews here.]

 

 30For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience,

 31so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.

 32For (AX)God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

 33Oh, the depth of (AY)the riches both of the (AZ)wisdom and knowledge of God! (BA)How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!

 34For (BB)WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR?

 35Or (BC)WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN?

 36For (BD)from Him and through Him and to Him are all things (BE)To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

 [AMEN and AMEN!]

DG

 

 

22 posted on 12/12/2004 12:31:55 AM PST by DoorGunner (Romans 11:26 "...and so all Israel shall be saved.")
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