Posted on 12/09/2004 6:49:02 PM PST by Land of the Irish
Perhaps in a way, what you said is actually a good postscript to what I wrote. I am in total agreement as to the wreckage being a deliberate internal agenda by anti-church partisans in round collars. It WAS governable when there was order and coherant purpose to the infrastructure of the Church. That situation does not exist now, as you indicated.
Agreed - that Paul VI persued a modernist agenda, and died in his regrets. Agreed also that JPII who has continued on this course. But I am not entirely convinced that he did so because he wanted to. Rather I see it that he did so as he had no other option - that the die was already cast.
I am one of those who agrees with the late Fr. Malachi Martin in saying that Christ has no more use for this corrupt institution - in its present form and infrastructure. The church will survive, but it will be changed into something new and more perfect.
In that, it models the crucifixion of self required of all Christians necessary for their salvation. Like its founder and Master, the church must die, before it can rise - more glorious then ever.
The individual Christian, and the Church herself must be purified......the mettle must be ready for the MAker's hand......before it can be cast anew, and resurrected.
Accept it or not, I would contend that what is happening now (and since 1960) in the church is pre-ordained.....it is allowed by God as a chastisement of the church in pasrticular, and the world in general.
Sede Vacante' Since 1960
Hubris is not appropriate for the SSPX at all since it believes and practices nothing on its own but simply follows the teachings of the Church. This would include the dictum that we must disobey illegitimate commands which would harm the Church and lead to the ruin of souls--even if this means disobeying a pontiff who would destroy Catholic Tradition itself.
The idea that popes may never be disobeyed is false. They may give bad commands like anybody else. Nor is any pope above divine law--which commands that we do good and avoid evil. If a pope, therefore, commands what would damage the Church, he must be disobeyed. That some Catholics take issue with this teaching is their problem, not that of the SSPX. Everything depends on motive. For years Archbishop Lefebvre and his followers warned of the disastrous course that modernism was taking, that the wrecking of Church Tradition was destroying the faith and creating unprecedented calamities throughout the world.
Meanwhile the Pope was preaching about the New Advent, the New Pentecost, the new Church being born of Vatican II. And part of his agenda was to give further impetus to radical change and to threaten even further the survival of a traditional priesthood--and with it, the ancient Mass.So it was not as if the defense of the ancient Mass were happening in a vacuum and that a man who had spent his entire adult life toiling in African missions on behalf of several popes, should have suddenly decided to rebel against the papacy itself.
It's true this is the Pope's reasoning. He believes, without any evidence and against the Archbishop's own denial, that Lefebvre disobeyed out of a wish to deny papal authority. But how could the pontiff have known this? There was no evidence for this whatsoever. The evidence, in fact, shows otherwise--that the Archbishop felt his advanced age and illness had made the situation for Catholic Tradition dire, that without successors he could not hope for the survival of the ancient Mass, and that without its survival he did not believe the faith itself could survive the modernist onslaught. Not only this, but the Pope's own laws allowed for such fear as a motivation for the violation of a law or precept. Such considerations were not motivated by schism or pride or any lack of faith. They were motivated by just the opposite.
There's nothing you've just posted that I disagree with. You put it very well.
He could consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Or when altar boys are girls.
Assuming that JPII is the Pope who does in fatc finally do that, it will be his curtain call. Along with proclaiming the final Marian dogma. Whether he is still in Rome, deposed in forced retirement, or willingly quits.....or is killed as a result of doing these things.......it may well be his swan song if he does these things, as the majority of apostate Bishops simplky will not stand for it.
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