Posted on 12/09/2004 6:49:02 PM PST by Land of the Irish
"Cardinal Francis Arinze (A Vatican official) made it clear that the faithful would receive no help from Rome and that Vatican authorities would not confront or discipline errant bishops"
...but why does the Vatican persist in promoting all these modernist dissidents to archbishop and cardinal?
Where is the inquisition when we need it? I am not talking about burning at the stake but drumming the perverts out of the corp.
Why do the Roman powers allow this crap to happen?
Why has Steve Brady done more to expose the perverts than the entire episcopate?
We are in worse shape then when the Borgia popes were in power. At least they did their messing around with women.
It should be pointed out that Brady was not always hostile to Rome. Initially, like most Catholics, he believed the Pope was on the side of the faithful who complained about outright malfeasance and perversion. But reality gradually intruded and over the years he has come to understand that this is a pontiff who not only makes very bad appointments, but also has very little interest in reforming a Church that is badly corrupted. Much more typical has been the Pontiff's coverups and efforts at damage control--the public slaps on the wrists, followed by private rewards.
Cardinal George, by the way, who warned Brady to lay off Ryan so that the Vatican could tend to the situation, himself now uses Ryan for ecclesiastical duties, even had him joining himself and other bishops at the recent consecration of a fellow bishop, as if he had never resigned in disgrace and were a model of moral rectitude. Yet this was a man who picked up male prostitutes routinely--including some who were under the age of consent--sexually pressured and harrassed other clergy, and deliberately instituted values-neutral sex-education classes on oral sex and homosexuality in Catholic elementary schools, despite the protests of concerned parents.
Homosexual Agenda Ping.
Long article, impassioned, says it all.
The fact that members of the Catholic hierarchy tolerate or cover up sodomy (what to speak of commit it themselves) is sickening. It's worse to be a wolf in sheeps' clothing than it is to be an out and out wolf.
Obviously any man (or woman) with same sex attraction disorder should never enter holy orders* or engage in any profession or position where they will be around young people.
*(Don't know if that's the right word)
Let me and ItsOurTimeNow know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
I know some people will think it's too extreme, but sodomy should be re-criminalized, and anyone molesting or seducing any minors should be - well, you don't want to know what I think.
More on George:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1298314/posts
Agreed...
who is guilty of unrepentant sexual sin
Says it all. We all sin, but those who justify it as good, right and true deserve the bottom of hell. Including their enablers.
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Pretty much this echoes my observations -where there is smoke, there is fire. Advocates of 'social justice' that is counter to Truth are simply advocates for injustice and in pursuit of only sefish agenda.
Thank you "Land" for posting this. I am passing along the statement by St. Alphonsus De Liguori to my Anglican brothers & sisters. The Episcopal Church USA is broken, too, because of the evil done by self-serving, sodomite priests & bishops. What fools we are to allow such evil to infiltrate the Church, unchallenged.
What makes the situation worse - when realized in its full import - is that this started a long time ago. There were some well placed gay priests, seminary professors, and prelates long before vatican II. While there have always been a few (very few) gays priests in the past, I am referring to two generations ago.
WE know from Bella Dodd and others, that there were as a matter of fact communist moles who entered into seminaries worldwide, for the explicit purpose of infiltrating and subverting the church from within. They decided to use personal vice - namely homosexuality - as the tool.
At first, gay priests could be blackmailed into compliance with a particular agenda. LAter, as we approached the year 1960, they began to get the upper hand. In the 60s, 70s, and 80s they were eagerly recruited. Those in turn recruited like minded men. We then had a situation where teh gay priest were no longer the subject of blackmail to conform to an agenda.
Not blackmail in the literal sense of exposure for what they were. But the blackmail of solidarity in persula of a unified agenda - which was tantamount to the internal autodestruction of the church by slow degrees. nobody can dissent from "the agenda", hence it is called the "superforce".
A gay priest who comes to truly know God and desire repentance and amendment of life cannot....easily. Lest he lose his position, be "hung out to dry", or killed altogether.....especially if he talks to abyone of these things. So they are literally trapped.
There are a few brave ones, who labor in secret to try to do what earnest good they can in the church. But they accomplish only a little, and had better do it very quietly.
Help is available - but not my mere human means. God has offered it to us in the form of the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. But for the moment, we must wait upon God to act.
Indeed these deviants are a shame to those of faith.
Here is the problem: since the Catholic church is the first church from which all Christian churches sprung....what affects it, will affect all........to a greater or lesser degree. That much sould be obvious.
Cardinals? According to one Catholic seer: "the red hats have fallen (Cardinals)......and also the purple(Bishops)".
Yes, Cardinals indeed have great authority. But like JUdas, they have sold their Lord for 30 pieces of silver.
All those who believe in and love the Lord Jesus Christ must pray.......and pray hard. All of us....Catholics, Baptists, evangelicals........all must pray and do penance for their lives, as we all have sinned. The Sinless One alone can and will help us.
I can only say: AMEN!
Once again you are on the money Thor. So goes the Church, so goes the world.
As far as I know, RCF does not promote schismatic parallel structures, but I'm certainly not surprised to see you using this article to promote them. The article points out problems and potential problems and expresses RCF's opinion on what the Pope and bishops should do. They are not undermining the legitimate authority of the Pope and the bishops, just saying they should be exercised to do certain things. That is all the difference in the world from schismatic Lefebvrists who want to pull down the temple, not cleanse and reform it. And I would point out that the Pope, as this article does not mention, has spoken out many times on the sinfulness of homosexual acts and the evil of same sex "marriage," and has been roundly condemned by liberal dissenters for it, but then I forgot, to you Lefebvrists, the Pope is worse than liberal dissenters.
You are making things up. Nothing was promoted in post #5. Ultima was merely stating facts.
You're so paranoid about the decline of the conciliar church, you see the SSPX behind every bush.
Being a Cardinal means one is a member of the College of Cardinals and therefore is eligible to elect a Pope or even to be elected Pope himself (if under the age of 75) - it's not really a "step up" from a Bishop. The Pope himself is properly called a Bishop, the Bishop of Rome.
Theorectically the Pope has the authority to correct Bishops but Vatican II "collegiality" has undermined the hiearchial nature of the ecclesial monarchy. While admirably based on the idea of subsidiarity in practice it has left Bishops completely free to do whatever they see fit in their diocese.
So it's the "conciliar church" is it, not the Catholic Church established by Christ on the rock of Peter and the pillar of the apostles. Thanks for letting me know that you are not Catholic.
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