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I could add many to the list of bad episcopal appointments of JPII......these would include Mahoney, Bernadin, Law, Egan, Mansell, Keeler, McCarrick, and the list goes on. There is no way to defend these bad personnell choices in any way.

But we must consider timing in making a judgement on JPII. Early in his pontificate it could certainly be said that certain appointments, e.g. Bernadin, were made out of sheer ignorance......aided by the connivance of Jean Jadot or Pio Laghi, and other episcopal kingmakers both here and in Rome. So it might be fair to say that in those early years, the wool was pulled over his eyes.

Now in more recent times.....he tried and succeeded in making a limited number of "good" choices here and there. Minor victories.

But since his health started into serious decline over the last 7 or so years, I feel that he has been taken advantage of. Given all of the intrigue in Rome now, I do not believe that JPII is his own man........that is simply not possible. I think his "jailers" are running roughshod over him.

This is not to excuse him from culpability for bad choices when he was truly in command - he is responsible for what he has done. But, I feel that we also have to realize the reality of his condition now, and see that as a major factor in current things.

You know there is an old saying "you gotta dance with the guy who broughtcha to the ball". It's my experience that once you're at the ball the most you can do is change some partners but you are still quite limited to those who are in attendance and perhaps some unknowns gathered at the door,waiting to get in.

When John Paul II got to the ball,it was stacked with "imposters". Among those were Bernardin,entered the line of successors in 1966,Mahoney,entered the line in 1975,Law in 1973,McCarricck in 1977,Keeler in 1979 (six months after he became Pope).Mansell and Egan were his own picks.

Thor,I may be over sympathetic to the predicament the Pope found himself in when he took office. I worked in Human Resources for many years and was able to navigtate my way through many difficulties with employer/employee relations by being a good listener,competent and well schooled in the area. However,I was stumped from about 1976 through 1986 or so, by infrequent but regulaarly occuring series of events or incidents with employee/management relations that left me scratching my head. Administrators and managers that I could count on to be just and fair would suddenly become arbitrary and capricious.

I am unclear on exact dates and I am not at liberty to discuss the paticulars but things happened that brought things to a head. Believe me when I say that I discovered absolutely and positively that there was "a tie that binds",and it was homosexuality/bi-sexuality and it went up to very high levels and there was little that could be done in situations where that entered the employment picture. Even after I discovered it,I was still often limited to trying to transfer employees out rather than remedy the situation within the department or unit.

I do not have the holiness,the intelligence or the charisms of the Pope so I am not absolving him based on my own inadequacies. On the other hand I only had to relate to a group of 3 or 4 thousand employees interacting with faar fewer admins and managers (albeit fluid). But I saw these people everyday and just could not figure out what was going on. The duplicity and deceit of homosexuals is almost beyond belief to an ordinary sinner like me. We need to work on getting active homosexuals and their sympathizers out of the priesthood.