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To: Rockingham
Your post is one of the most saddening things I've ever read in my life.

Let me elucidate what I understand your position to be:

1) you deny dispansationalism and all dispensational distinctions. Only with this denial can the church be placed squarely in the period called "Jacob's Trouble (Jer 30:7)"

2) you deny a distinction between the church and Israel

3) you deny scriptural teaching concerning the nature and the purpose of the tribulation purpose. Scripture uses terms such as: wrath, judgement, indignation, trial, trouble, and destruction, stating that the divine purpose is God's pouring out of judgement on sin.

4) you deny all distinctions observed from scripture between the rapture and the second advent of Christ (being one and the same event)

5) you deny all doctrine immenence of the coming of the Lord, substituting instead that a multitude of signs must be fullfilled before the Lord can come.

6) you deny any future fullfillment of Daniel 9:24-27 (claiming it has been fullfilled historically)

7) you apply major passages of scripture outlining God's program for Israel (Mt 13; 24-25; Rev 4-19) to the church.

8) your system is predicated upon denials rather than a postiive exposition of Scripture.

There's no point in going any further with you, except perhaps if you deny Eph 2:8,9 or Jn 3:16 do not actually intimate what they literally intimate to mean. Perhaps Rm 4:5 has some allegorical meaning to you. The Roman Catholic Church espouses a great deal of doctrine that can not be reconciled correctly with scripture (either its literal meaning according to the normal meaning of words used, or figures of speech in comman usage, in a historical, grammatical, and contextual (or allegorical when outright stated as being so) use. Instead you prefer to defer all matters of this importance to experts. Let me tell you something: scripture intimates that God is no respecter of people, social sture, education, or the like.

Notice one thing, that this thread is respecting the rapture. Your insistance upon the Roman Catholic church as being the supreme arbiter of dogma and doctrine conerning matters of faith doesn't fly with me. In my mind ther is only ONE Supreme Court concerning those matters (a court from which there is NO appeal) and that is the Bible (cf. Acts 17:11). I implore you to read II Tim 3 (pay particular attention to v16). The very last thing that I'm doing is doubting your salvation; it is a very private and personal matter between you and God. However, your advocation of heresy is extremely unsettling.

It grieves me personally and most immensely, although I'm sure, not as deeply as it does the Holy Spirit, to know that the philosophy of man takes precedence (with respect authority) over that of the Word of God. The Book of Jude is most expository on my position.

257 posted on 12/09/2004 7:41:41 PM PST by raygun
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To: raygun
The cause of your sadness seems to be the existence of the Roman Catholic Church and that it does not accept Dispensationalist doctrines. But if Dispensationalism is correct, then the resistance of the Catholic Church and its adherents is the prophesied state of affairs and ought not to be a cause for sadness, irritation, or anger. Take a look at the links that I suggested in my prior post for a fuller account of the reasons for Catholic rejection of Dispensationalism.
258 posted on 12/10/2004 12:42:48 AM PST by Rockingham
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