Question to Christians From a Jewish Friend

December 9, 2004 | Michael Katz

[Mike10542]

Hey fellow freepers, having been swept up in the battle of conservatives first liberals and believers in God vs. non-beleivers I clearly have chosen the right side here (hence me writing on Free Republic). The alignment of Jews like myself and many fellow Christians is one that I feel is very necesary to win the war against evil and have peace in our time. Although I choose to ignore all the leftists and others who try to break up this loving partnership by saying "They are only on your side becuase they want the Jews in control of Jerusalem so Christ returns," I am looking to explore what the Bible really teaches about the Jewish fate from the Christian perspective. It is hard to find what the majority opinion is because the internet is, well, the internet. What I have made out so far is that during rapture I beleive 2/3's of Jews are killed, but one third survive. So my questions are:

1) What do the 2/3's of Jews die from (war, just happens????)

2) What happens to the remaning 1/3 of Jews after they survive?

3) Do any of this remaining 1/3 of Jews make it past the final judgement of God (some interpertations say no, others say the remaining Jews are allowed to pass once accepting God and I think Christ)

I truly beleive in my Jewish fate as I have been raised Jewish, but my mom is Christian. So each religion I respect and believe are good. Ultimately, I hope us Jews and Christians both make it together to the promised land (and only the Muslims are sent to hell!)

Thanks for all your answers. Also, feel free to direct me to anywhere where I can learn more about this subject.

[nopardons]

The so called "RAPTURE" is only believed in by some Christians,so I wouldn't worry about it,if I were you.The rest of us believe in the Second Coming,the return of the Messiah,which no man knows the time it will take place and which is what GOD says,in the New Testament.

Since the Muslims don't believe in the Messiah,but Jews and Christians do,Muslims probably won't get taken to heaven,when HE comes.

[Bandaneira]

Read my posts NoPardons.

I certainly don't think the second coming will happen in the next eight months, or ever for that matter, so your bet is non-sensical and poorly thought out. If you were a bookmaker you would attract no punters.

[nopardons]

That's utter claptrap and a long banned poster used to post threads about the lost tribes all the time.Jim doesn't like this kind of tinfoil posted to Fr,which is WHY he was banned.

[Bandaneira]

I'm glad you don't want or believe in the need for a cataclysmic event to happen in the future for peace to prevail. Where we differ is on the identity of Moshiach. I believe that question will be resolved in the next eight months.

[Quinotto]

"Most Christians do not believe in the rapture". Don't be a meschuga, please! Actually, most of the Christians do believe in it. As far your belief on the rapture being...invented and being "just an American nutcase kind of a thing" makes me smile and realize how the Pilgrims were regarded at first by Europeans and by non-believers. Just because you don't happen to agree with this belief, doesn't make the ones who do, using your own words, nutcases. What it does make you is intolerant. Your arguments are based on European views of Christianity when we sure know all about Europe's faith in God and its kindness to the Jews.

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Luke 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

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Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

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Luke 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

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Luke 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

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Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

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I Thessalonians 4:17 Then they who are alive, shall be caught up together into the clouds with them who remain, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we be ever with the Lord.

[ROTB]

>We believe that the Jews are the chosen people of God and
>that God will bless nations that aid Israel.

Notice how low France is going...

[Bandaneira]

I agree with you No Pardons on that Lost Tribe website's credibility.

[texasflower]

What I want is whatever is preordained to happen to this world.

I believe in God, I believe Jesus is my Lord and Saviour and I do not have doubts or fear in what is going to happen.

I'm ready to go right now if that's what happened. Or in eight months if that is when it is to happen or 50 years from now.

What I don't believe in is you and your implied "psychic" babble.

[Bandaneira]

I'm not using him as a source. I read the Pentateuch regularly.

[nopardons]

HUNH?

That's not what all Christians believe.

[Anti-Christ is Hillary]

"Some evangelicals believe that a huge cataclysmic war must happen before their wonder boy will return."

I can understand if you are not a Christian or are a nonbeliever. But there are those of us who are Christians and believers, I have noticed during this thread that almost all of your posts are hostile and sarcastic to what we believe.

And in return you have been treated with respect and have not been treated poorly. I would appreciate that respect returned weather you agree with us or not. We are not preaching or expecting you to believe what we do. We are just answering a question from a fellow freeper. Maybe you Belong at the DU.

[trickyricky]

Zechariah
13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine
hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in
the house of my friends.

13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is
my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the
sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little
ones.

13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two
parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left
therein.

13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them
as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call
on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and
they shall say, The LORD is my God.

This is Christ's return. The Jewish remnant recognize Jesus at his return
after Armageddon by His nail-pierced hands.
The remnant is saved to go through the millenial reign of Christ on Earth.

[Quinotto]

I sure heard you :D Amen!

[papertyger]

Has no one but me noticed Bandaneira's only purpose here is to disrupt the flow of the thread as various Christians attempt to answer Mike's question?

I invite you all to hit the abuse button as I have, so a legitimate question can be answered.

[Bandaneira]

There are three participants in the creation of a child.

The Father. The Mother, and the Master of the Universe.

That's why some people have certain divine attributes which are not dependent upon their genes.

[texasflower]

It's very peaceful isn't it?

[Quinotto]

In Christ's case The Father and the Master of the Universe is one and the same. However, I think it's time for you to stop mocking Christianity, especially with Christmas around the corner.

[Quinotto]

Indeed, it is. This is why people like Bandaneira need our understanding, patience and prayers. Afterall, Christ died for him too.