Posted on 12/08/2004 11:08:38 PM PST by Mike10542
Hey fellow freepers, having been swept up in the battle of conservatives first liberals and believers in God vs. non-beleivers I clearly have chosen the right side here (hence me writing on Free Republic). The alignment of Jews like myself and many fellow Christians is one that I feel is very necesary to win the war against evil and have peace in our time. Although I choose to ignore all the leftists and others who try to break up this loving partnership by saying "They are only on your side becuase they want the Jews in control of Jerusalem so Christ returns," I am looking to explore what the Bible really teaches about the Jewish fate from the Christian perspective. It is hard to find what the majority opinion is because the internet is, well, the internet. What I have made out so far is that during rapture I beleive 2/3's of Jews are killed, but one third survive. So my questions are:
1) What do the 2/3's of Jews die from (war, just happens????)
2) What happens to the remaning 1/3 of Jews after they survive?
3) Do any of this remaining 1/3 of Jews make it past the final judgement of God (some interpertations say no, others say the remaining Jews are allowed to pass once accepting God and I think Christ)
I truly beleive in my Jewish fate as I have been raised Jewish, but my mom is Christian. So each religion I respect and believe are good. Ultimately, I hope us Jews and Christians both make it together to the promised land (and only the Muslims are sent to hell!)
Thanks for all your answers. Also, feel free to direct me to anywhere where I can learn more about this subject.
What can I say. You are using Engish translation out of and the Greek original is read differently in its context then how we imagine it in English. With Greek context is everything. also, words don't exist in Englsh to explain thoughts and meanings behind simple Greek words which is why doctors still use Greek as their lingua franca.
Brethren is a perfect example - does Jesus mean biological brothers? It is all cointext. Thank you for a great example to prove my point.
http://www.bibletexts.com/terms/i-am.htm
More than any other writing in the Greek New Testament, the Fourth Gospel can most appropriately be read with two layers of meaning, the historically literal and the symbolic. Though Jesus spoke both Aramaic and Greek, it is generally assumed that he addressed his disciples primarily in Aramaic. The Fourth Gospel, written in Koine Greek, was written with very obvious awareness of the symbolism and significance of its phrasing in the Koine Greek language. In comparison with the synoptic gospels (Mark, Matthew, and Luke), the Fourth Gospel may thought of as more of a painting of Jesus' life and teachings -- a painting that is subjectively intended to bring out and highlight the texture and underlying meaning of Jesus' life and teachings. The synoptic gospels are more like photographs that somewhat objectively record events but with less opportunity to interpret.
In some of Jesus' I AM sayings, though some translators add "he" after "I am," the NAB correctly literally translates the phrase simply, "I AM." Due to the Greek vocabulary and construction of that phrase and its relation to Exo 3:14, the nuanced meaning is "I have timeless being that coincides with God" -- as compared with being a mere temporally created mortal.
Yawn.........It can't even be proven Jesus' language wasn't Hebrew. Not that I care since I'm not down with the inspiration of NT writings anyway.
What an ignorant statement. Jesus spoke Aramaic as an everyday language, Hebrew when he prayed and Greek when he spoke to non Aramaic peoples. Just like every other well educated person in that part of the world.
Rather your statement is the ignorant one. There are Hebrew idioms in the NT (matthew) that don't work unless they were written in Hebrew first.
Not me. I went back and looked and nobody was talking about whether a person is religious or not.
Studying the New Testament works is important as a window to the world of that time.
Agreed, I studied if for years. Got some good historical stuff from it. Doesn't mean its inspired.
You can be an atheist scholar and still look to the NT as a primary historical document.
Never said you couldn't. Said I didn't find it inspired. Whats with all the putting words in my mouth?
"there are legitimate alternatives to the Christian ultimatum of "believe this way or you'll burn in hell." It is noteworthy, to me, that of the 3 monotheistic religions, only the Jews don't issue such an ultimatum."
Actually, Orthodoxy says "Do this and you will become like God!"
There's very little "Sinners in the hands of an angry God" thinking in the Christian East.
Unless the writer was poor in his Greek - NO ORIGINAL HEBREW TEXTS EXIST of the New Testament no matter how much fantasizing you want to do.
Unless you read it in the original Greek you studied nothing - you just read a book.
What kind of goof are you? Most everyone around here know that none exist. I think I'll start calling you "Mr. Strawman".
I doubt the Greek is inspired either.
The New Testament was originally written in one language only. Greek. Not Hebrew but Greek. The Gospel of John especially was written by someone fluent in Greek.
What do mean by unspired? Moby Dick was inspired, Hamlet was inspired. My point is not to inspire you only to point out your lack of knowledge of the NT. Like reading parts of the NT out of context.
Examples? And why couldn't they have been in Aramaic?
But muslims are damning themselves to hell on a daily basis by their barbaric actions. As a Messianic Jew, I find comfort that the 19 hijackers of 9/11 are in hell. It is justice for the victims who will find none on this earth.
There is a reason for different Christian denominations, and different factions, if you will, within those denominations; the Bible says what it says, but you can't get everybody to agree on what it says. And reading the Bible as if it were an encyclopedia or a dictionary isn't the best approach, either, although a lot of people do it. Most serious Christians make a lifelong study of the Bible, reading it over and over, under different conditions, at different points in their lives, and seeing something new every time; you'll never get to the bottom of it.
Personally, I leave such questions as the ultimate fate of everybody, including Jews, the particulars of the Rapture (as well as most particulars of the Apocalypse according to John), up to God. I don't know the answers, but I know that God knows the answers, and that's enough for me. I've got enough to worry about just keeping myself in line.
Just a sidenote.... Jesus gave Mary to St. John right before he died on the cross, if Jesus had had biological brothers, why wouldn't she have gone to them?
Please try and actually read my posts It gets tiresome to have to keep correcting you. I put "Matthew" in parenthesis. I didn't claim the entire NT was written in Hebrew. Even Jerome said there existed a Hebrew book of Matthew.
The New Testament was originally written in one language only. Greek. Not Hebrew but Greek. The Gospel of John especially was written by someone fluent in Greek.
Contrar. See above.
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