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To: kjvail

I have a question for you. Does the Roman Catholic Church teach that Mary died or did she ascend into heaven as did Christ? Since death is the payment for sin, and she was sinless, it would seem necessary that she not suffer death.


17 posted on 12/09/2004 9:57:20 AM PST by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: visually_augmented
Munificentissimus Deus (Defining the Dogma of the Assumption)

Pope Pius XII 11/01/1950

"44. For which reason, after we have poured forth prayers of supplication again and again to God, and have invoked the light of the Spirit of Truth, for the glory of Almighty God who has lavished his special affection upon the Virgin Mary, for the honor of her Son, the immortal King of the Ages and the Victor over sin and death, for the increase of the glory of that same august Mother, and for the joy and exultation of the entire Church; by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority, we pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory. "

You found another one heh - this isn't done often you just happened to ask about two instances where papal infallibility has been invoked and I provided you a 3rd as a means of example.

19 posted on 12/09/2004 10:15:06 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: visually_augmented
Here I am, butting in again! Aren't I special.

The Church is silent as to whether or not Mary died. The vast majority of theologians agree she did.

Jesus we know, was without sin, yet suffered death. Mary was THE imitator of Christ, par excellence, and my personal belief is that she imitated Him in dying.

Also, you say: "did Mary ascend?" ONLY Jesus 'ascended' into Heaven. Mary was "Assumed" into the other world. She did not do it of her own power; God had to come and get her. The Church in the east speaks of Mary's "Dormition" (or falling asleep,) and pictures Jesus cradling His Mother in His arms and carrying her up to Heaven with Him.
20 posted on 12/09/2004 10:33:35 AM PST by Lilllabettt
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To: visually_augmented

This site will give you information on Our Lady's Assumption

http://www.catholicherald.com/saunders/04ws/ws040812.htm


22 posted on 12/09/2004 10:43:04 AM PST by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
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