For those interested in unlocking the bible codes...........

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[Gamecock]

In a most kind, Christian manner: please show me the clear scriptural proof.

[Quix]

Sorry,

you have burned far too many bridges with me quite repeatedly

for me to feel like it's the least bit of a worthwhile use of my time and energy.

IF you really want such truth, it's available. But you are highly unlikely to be getting it from me.

Even were I to consent, it would be highly to extremely unlikely to be anything close to a mutually fair-minded exchange and I'm no longer willing to bother much about the only type of exchanges you seem open to on such topics.

[Quix]

Haven't said a thing about anyone's salvation being lacking or at threat for disagreeing with me.

PLEASE BE HONEST WHEN YOU COMMENT ABOUT ME AND WHAT I'VE WRITTEN.

I consider dishonest putting words in my fingers that I didn't write to be quite deplorable.

I have quite an interesting life, thank you.

[reaganaut]

I am sorry you so deluded. You are correct in that it is child-like faith, not childish faith (which is what you show). Your obsessive need to prove what you wish to be true overrides any rationalization regarding the matter.

I stand by that all things are plain in scripture, the so-called bible code (which can disappear with different typesetting) is an attempt to lead people astray by claiming that not all is PLAINLY revealed in Scripture.

[Quix]

Your typesetting allegation is simply wholesale contrary to facts as even a cursory review of the recent literature would make abundantly clear.

Actually, never has that been the case.

[reaganaut]

No it's not. I've read the recent literature. You are claiming to have "Gnosis" and Gnosticism was a heresy condemned by St. Augustine.

[Quix]

Either your reading is greatly flawed--most likely--or your evaluation . . . habits . . . of such reading--perhaps grossly distorted by your biases . . .

or

your definitions are quite askew from those in normal dictionaries.

[Quix]

Part of me would be inclined to take you at your word that you've read the recent quality literature.

Given your responses, it seem extremely highly unlikely.

[maestro]

The Koran's Bible Code is 'garbage' too?

They claim they have the 'same' bibles translations.....'the original garbage texts'.....same codes too?

/all bible code junk

[Arguss]

"at least one or more studies have demonstrated that God managed to protect the integrity of all the Old Testament and the New Testament. It seems incredible but the study I read was convincing enough for me."

Now IMHO you have gone over the edge and are willing to embrace the Moby Dick school of breaking codes.

I say "in my opinion" because maybe you are indeed igorant of how the Bible was composed, and think God wrote it rather than inspired it. And in that case truly don't recognize the difference between the Torah and the rest of the book. In that case you can't be held responsible for your opinion.

[Quix]

HO HO HO HO HO!

Very funny.

[Quix]

Not at all ignorant about how the Bible was scribed and put together.

Actually, evidently a LOT LESS aware about that

than you are issues related to that and the authentic Codes.

[Quix]

Not at all ignorant about how the Bible was scribed and put together.

CORRECTION:

Actually, evidently I'm a lot MORE aware about how The Bible was scribed and put together

than you are about important issues related to that and the authentic Codes.

[Quix]

Given your . . .

implied, self-assumed

paragon orthodoxy, consistency, intellectual acuity . . .

I guess you must

REJECT TOTALLY

that the root words of the geneology in--Genesis--I think it is--

That the root words of the family names taken in order

tells a good summary of the Gospel story.

Evidently you reject that given your brash and rather irresponsible, (imho):

" stand by that all things are plain in scripture, the so-called bible code (which can disappear with different typesetting) is an attempt to lead people astray by claiming that not all is PLAINLY revealed in Scripture."

You are certainly able to throw in the trash or sewer whatever treasures God hid in HIS Word.

You evidently clearly have thrown out Daniel's Scripture about hiding some things until the end.

Now that you have seemingly functionally told God and Daniel that they are full of it . . . do you plan to compete for Daniel's place in eternity and perhaps God's later on?

[Quix]

Your gnosticism accusation is wrong, inaccurate, demeaning, untrue, hideous, off the wall.

I rebuke the whole idea, in Jesus' Name.

[reaganaut]

I agree with you about the over the edge statement.

[reaganaut]

I rebuke you and your false teachings, in the name of Christ. Get thee to a seminary and get you're theology straight.

[reaganaut]

"I guess you must REJECT TOTALLY that the root words of the geneology in--Genesis--I think it is-- That the root words of the family names taken in order tells a good summary of the Gospel story. "

Yep, I reject it, based on my knowledge of Hebrew.

I suppose now you are going to tell me you are a Hebrew linguist as well?


"You are certainly able to throw in the trash or sewer whatever treasures God hid in HIS Word"

I throw no Scripture in to the 'trash' as you put it, I am merely pointing out that God DOES NOT hide things in Scripture. The Daniel reference is usually taken to mean the book of Revelation by conservative scholars. NOT things hidden in the text.

[Quix]

HOGWASH ON BOTH COUNTS.

The Daniel thing you mention is super laughable.

[Quix]

Welllllllllllllll,

IF

you want to reject that beautiful gift from The Lord based on arguing about the meanings of HEBREW ROOT words,

you will certainly be in some very traditional company.

The RELIGIOUS LEADERS OF JESUS DAY seemed to spend a lot of time arguing over such word meanings.

As I recall, Jesus wasn't that impressed with their word splitting exercises nor with their naysaying attitudes.

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FOR THOSE WHO ENJOY GOD'S ABUNDANT AND DIVERSE BLESSINGS WITHIN AND WITHOUT HIS WORD:

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A Hidden Message
The Gospel in Genesis
by Chuck Missler

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Note: Due to the unusual interest in this article, it has been reprinted and revised to respond to your many inquiries.

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We frequently use the familiar term, gospel, or good news. Where is the first place it appears in the Bible? The answer may surprise you.

An Integrated Message
The great discovery is that the Bible is a message system: it's not simply 66 books penned by 40 authors over thousands of years, the Bible is an integrated whole which bears evidence of supernatural engineering in every detail.
The Jewish rabbis have a quaint way of expressing this very idea: they say that they will not understand the Scriptures until the Messiah comes. But when He comes, He will not only interpret each of the passages for us, He will interpret the very words; He will even interpret the very letters themselves; in fact, He will even interpret the spaces between the letters!

When I first heard this, I simply dismissed this as a colorful exaggeration. Until I reread Matthew 5:17 and 18:

"Think not that I have come to destroy the Torah and the prophets; I have not come to destroy but to fulfill.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

(A jot and tittle are the Hebrew equivalent of our dotting an i and the crossing of a t.)


An Example
A remarkable example of this can be glimpsed in Genesis Chapter 5, where we have the genealogy of Adam through Noah. This is one of those chapters which we often tend to skim over quickly as we pass through Genesis it's simply a genealogy from Adam to Noah.
But God always rewards the diligent student. Let's examine this chapter more closely.

In our Bible, we read the Hebrew names. What do these names mean in English?


A Study of Original Roots
The meaning of proper names can be a difficult pursuit since a direct translation is often not readily available. Even a conventional Hebrew lexicon can prove disappointing. A study of the original roots, however, can yield some fascinating insights.
(A caveat: many study aids, such as a conventional lexicon, can prove rather superficial when dealing with proper nouns. Furthermore, views concerning the meanings of original roots are not free of controversy and variant readings.)

Let s take an example.


The Flood Judgment
Methuselah comes from muth, a root that means "death";(1) and from shalach, which means to bring, or to send forth. The name Methuselah means, "his death shall bring".(2)
Methuselah's father was given a prophecy of the coming Great Flood, and was apparently told that as long as his son was alive, the judgment of the flood would be withheld; but as soon as he died, the flood would be brought or sent forth.

(Can you imagine raising a kid like that? Every time the boy caught a cold, the entire neighborhood must have panicked!)

And, indeed, the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.(3)

It is interesting that Methuselah's life, in effect, was a symbol of God's mercy in forestalling the coming judgment of the flood.

Therefore, it is fitting that his lifetime is the oldest in the Bible, speaking of the extensiveness of God's mercy.


The Other Names
If there is such significance in Methuselah's name, let's examine the other names to see what may lie behind them.
Adam's name means man. As the first man, that seems straight forward enough.


Seth
Adam's son was named Seth, which means appointed. Eve said, "For God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew."(4)

Enosh
Seth's son was called Enosh, which means mortal, frail, or miserable. It is from the root anash, to be incurable, used of a wound, grief, woe, sickness, or wickedness.
It was in the days of Enosh that men began to defile the name of the Living God.(5)


Kenan
Enosh's son was named Kenan, which can mean sorrow, dirge, or elegy. (The precise denotation is somewhat elusive; some study aids unfortunately presume that Kenan is synonymous with Cainan.)
Balaam, looking down from the heights of Moab, uses a pun upon the name of the Kenites when he prophesies their destruction.(6)

We have no real idea as to why these names were chosen for their children. Often they may have referred to circumstances at birth, and so on.


Mahalalel
Kenan's son was Mahalalel, from Mahalal which means blessed or praise; and El, the name for God. Thus, Mahalalel means the Blessed God. Often Hebrew names include El, the name of God, as Dan-i-el, "God is my Judge", etc.

Jared
Mahalalel's son was named Jared, from the verb yaradh, meaning shall come down.(7)

Enoch
Jared's son was named Enoch, which means teaching, or commencement. He was the first of four generations of preachers. In fact, the earliest recorded prophecy was by Enoch, which amazingly enough deals with the Second Coming of Christ (although it is quoted in the Book of Jude in the New Testament):
Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against."

Jude 14, 15


Methuselah
Enoch was the father of Methuselah, who we have already mentioned. Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah.(8) Apparently, Enoch received the prophecy of the Great Flood, and was told that as long as his son was alive, the judgment of the flood would be withheld. The year that Methuselah died, the flood came.
Enoch, of course, never died: he was translated (9) (or, if you'll excuse the expression, raptured ). That s how Methuselah can be the oldest man in the Bible, yet he died before his father!


Lamech
Methuselah's son was named Lamech, a root still evident today in our own English word, lament or lamentation. Lamech suggests despairing.
(This name is also linked to the Lamech in Cain's line who inadvertently killed his son Tubal-Cain in a hunting incident.(10))


Noah
Lamech, of course, is the father of Noah, which is derived from nacham, to bring relief or comfort, as Lamech himself explains in Genesis 5:29.

The Composite List
Now let's put it all together:

Hebrew English

Adam Man

Seth Appointed

Enosh Mortal

Kenan Sorrow;

Mahalalel The Blessed God

Jared Shall come down

Enoch Teaching

Methuselah His death shall bring

Lamech The Despairing

Noah Rest, or comfort.
That's rather remarkable:

Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.
Here's the Gospel hidden within a genealogy in Genesis!

(You will never convince me that a group of Jewish rabbis conspired to hide the Christian Gospel right here in a genealogy within their venerated Torah!)


Evidence of Design
The implications of this discovery are more wide spread than is evident at first glance.
It demonstrates that in the earliest chapters of the Book of Genesis, God had already laid out His plan of redemption for the predicament of mankind. It is a love story, written in blood on a wooden cross which was erected in Judea almost 2,000 years ago.

The Bible is an integrated message system, the product of supernatural engineering. Every number, every place name, every detail every jot and tittle is there for our learning, our discovery, and our amazement. Truly, our God is an awesome God.

It is astonishing to discover how many Biblical controversies seem to evaporate if one simply recognized the unity the integrity of these 66 books, penned by 40 authors over thousands of years.

It is remarkable how many subtle discoveries lie behind the little details of the text. Some of these become immediately obvious with a little study; some are more technical and require special helps.

Many of these discoveries are described in our Briefing Package, Beyond Coincidence. Several are also highlighted in our recent book, The Creator Beyond Time and Space.

Look behind every detail: there's a discovery to be made! God always rewards the diligent student. What other messages lay hidden behind the names in the Bible? Check it out.