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To: 26lemoncharlie

Archbishop Lefebvre was a traitor - and Michael Davies dumped him three years later in 1988 after Lefebvre and Company were excommunicated for the crime of schism.

Bleat all you want - those who adhere to the schism are also in schism and in the state of excommunication.

So-called "traditionalists" are the present-day "rats" who have deserted the Barque of Peter. The Church established by Christ will last until the end of time - battered, yes; deserted by rats - yes; but destroyed? NO! And, there will always be a Peter who will always be the Bishop of Rome. That is Catholic Dogma.

There is NO "good" reason for schism!


4 posted on 11/26/2004 3:29:15 AM PST by Sean O L
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To: Sean O L
There is NO "good" reason for schism!

Defend Karol Jozef Wojtyla's open support of China's official 'Catholic' Church, which does not recognize the Pope as the Vicar of Christ. The false Chinese church is in schism, and is embraced nonetheless by Wojtyla and his Vatican lapdogs.

Who is in schism? Those who have declared themselves Latin Roman Catholics who hold great reverence for the Sacred Dogma, or a pope who rules in error publicly embracing those who have not converted to the One True Faith!!!

5 posted on 11/26/2004 4:49:44 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Sean O L
and Michael Davies dumped him three years later in 1988 after Lefebvre and Company were excommunicated for the crime of schism.

"Archbishop Lefebvre is a saint." - Michael Davies, at his last conference in the U.S. January 2004
9 posted on 11/26/2004 5:52:24 AM PST by sempertrad
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To: Sean O L
Archbishop Lefebvre was a traitor - and Michael Davies dumped him three years later

Why don't you slanderers at least get your story in order? Perhaps because lying and slandering are much more complicated than telling the truth. It's hard to remember which lie you told last.

Here is what your fellow anti-Traditionalist Stephen Hand said about Michael Davies in his article "The Fall of Michael Davies - The Lefebvrist Worm in Una Voce":

[O]ne looks to the overall and longstanding theology of Davies, Una Voce International president, who wrote recently regarding Protocol 1411, opposing the Holy Father:

"Archbishop Lefebvre withdrew from the 1988 agreement with the Holy See because he felt that the Vatican could not be relied upon to keep its promises. It would appear that there are now powerful forces in the Curia determined to prove that he was right"

Davies remains heavily indebted to and rooted in Lefebvre's errors of disposition, suspicion, and fact. Indeed, Davies' entire theological outlook (as we will see in part below) is thoroughly colored by his long and lasting debt to his mentor. More recently he has taken to bed with the Mattities, speaking at their conferences with the signers of schismatic screeds against the Pope, with Feeneyites also. Much of the Integrist bacteria has been spawned in Davies' old glass. For years---up to and after Lefebvre's death----Davies was and remains the microphone and press agent / apologist for the errors of Lefebvre, which is why he has never repudiated the SSPX (even if Una Voce is inclusive of others), why he allows that organization to continue to sell his books to this day.


25 posted on 11/26/2004 3:40:10 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: Sean O L
Lefebvre and Company were excommunicated for the crime of schism.

He was never excommunicated. The pope, incorrectly, declared that he had excommunicated himself.

27 posted on 11/26/2004 5:11:23 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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To: Sean O L
There is NO "good" reason for schism!

Read the Balamand Statement. The Vatican says that 'schism' is a path to salvation. That would make schism a good thing. Therefore JPII thinks schism is a good thing.

28 posted on 11/26/2004 5:15:04 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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To: Sean O L
There is NO "good" reason for schism!

Then you agree with me that giving the remains of the great Church fathers to the schismatic Greek Orthodox is just wrong - and for so many reasons.

As someone else pointed out, the Vatican also has supported the official Commie church in Red China, as the Chicoms simultaneously persecute real Catholics, as they persecute various other 'unsanctioned' organizations.

37 posted on 11/27/2004 4:52:19 AM PST by sevry
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