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To: Stubborn
In the CCC (forgive me I am at work and don't know exactly where to find it) it speaks of non Roman Catholics such as the Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, and other Trinitarian Christians as separated brethren, and fellow Christians.

It also speaks of a unity through baptism, and that those who are in such churches or communities can be saved.

Now, using the stuff you posted above, either the Catechism is wrong, or the body that made the Catechism, which was endorsed by the Papa See, is wrong. In that case, such body is no a part of the True Church, and therefor is in error.

So, have I misunderstood something? If Rome is wrong now, who is right? What then is necessary for salvation?
22 posted on 11/23/2004 11:07:27 AM PST by redgolum (Molon labe)
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To: redgolum
Now, using the stuff you posted above, either the Catechism is wrong, or the body that made the Catechism, which was endorsed by the Papa See, is wrong. In that case, such body is no a part of the True Church, and therefor is in error. The Catechism is wrong - and obviously so. What then is necessary for salvation?

In a very small nutshell, the same things that the Perennial Magisterium has always taught, namely, we must first be Baptized, then receive the other Sacraments.

26 posted on 11/23/2004 11:22:39 AM PST by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: redgolum
In the CCC (forgive me I am at work and don't know exactly where to find it) it speaks of non Roman Catholics such as the Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, and other Trinitarian Christians as separated brethren, and fellow Christians.

It also speaks of a unity through baptism, and that those who are in such churches or communities can be saved.

Vatican II ecumenism is laid out in 3 documents of the council.

UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO

NOSTRA AETATE

DIGNITATIS HUMANAE

The focus of which is to highlight the similiarities instead of focusing on the differences, as I understand it. There is a great deal of controveresy around the council in general and particularly on this point. It is important to realize that all teachings of the Church must be interperted in the light of Tradition.

The Church has long held that the baptism of Protestants is valid if it is done in the trinitarian formula (in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) and water is used. Anyone can baptized anyone using that formula with water.

29 posted on 11/23/2004 12:46:07 PM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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