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To: infidel29; aimhigh
infidel29 ; aimhigh

"Simon, (Peter) you are the rock upon which I will build my church" --Jesus

90 posted on 11/21/2004 7:03:36 PM MST by infidel29


I would recommend a detailed "word study" of the word ROCK

in the scriptures that Y'shua used.

It will not support the roman church's position.



NAsbU 2 Samuel 22:2 He said, "The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; 3 My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge; My savior, You save me from violence.

His willing bondslave

chuck

169 posted on 11/22/2004 4:32:55 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua == YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: XeniaSt
"Simon, (Peter) you are the rock upon which I will build my church" --Jesus

Slpooy translation. "Peter" means "pebble", not "rock". The "rock" is the confession of Jesus as the Christ. The church is built upon the confession, not Peter. That verse doesn't establish a pope.

171 posted on 11/22/2004 5:56:27 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: XeniaSt; infidel29; aimhigh
I would recommend a detailed "word study" of the word ROCK in the scriptures that Y'shua used. It will not support the roman church's position.



"We know that Jesus spoke Aramaic because some of his words are preserved for us in the Gospels. Look at Matthew 27:46, where he says from the cross, ‘Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?’ That isn’t Greek; it’s Aramaic, and it means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’

"What’s more in Paul’s epistles, four times in Galatians and four times in 1 Corinthians we have the Aramaic form of Simon’s new name preserved for us. In our English Bibles it comes out as Cephas. That isn’t Greek. That’s a transliteration of the Aramaic word Kepha (rendered as Kephas in its Hellenistic form).

"And what does Kepha mean? It means a rock, the same as petra. (It doesn’t mean a little stone or a pebble. What Jesus said to Simon in Matthew 16:18 was this: ‘You are Kepha, and on this kepha I will build my Church.’

"When you understand what the Aramaic says, you see that Jesus was equating Simon and the rock; he wasn’t contrasting them. We see this vividly in some modern English translations, which render the verse this way: ‘You are Rock, and upon this rock I will build my church.’ In French one word, pierre, has always been used both for Simon’s new name and for the rock."

215 posted on 11/23/2004 8:20:17 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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