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To: NYer

Peter, the first pope, and the apostles that Jesus chose were, for the most part, married men. The New Testament implies that women presided at eucharistic meals in the early church.

Popes who were married
St. Peter, Apostle
St. Felix III 483-492 (2 children)
St. Hormidas 514-523 (1 son)
St. Silverus (Antonia) 536-537
Hadrian II 867-872 (1 daughter)
Clement IV 1265-1268 (2 daughters)
Felix V 1439-1449 (1 son)

Popes who were the sons of other popes, other clergy
Name of Pope Papacy Son of
St. Damascus I 366-348 St. Lorenzo, priest
St. Innocent I 401-417 Anastasius I
Boniface 418-422 son of a priest
St. Felix 483-492 son of a priest
Anastasius II 496-498 son of a priest
St. Agapitus I 535-536
Gordiaous, priest
St. Silverus 536-537 St. Homidas, pope
Deusdedit 882-884 son of a priest
Boniface VI 896-896 Hadrian, bishop
John XI 931-935 Pope Sergius III
John XV 989-996 Leo, priest

Popes who had illegitimate children after 1139
Innocent VIII 1484-1492 several children
Alexander VI 1492-1503 several children
Julius 1503-1513 3 daughters
Paul III 1534-1549 3 sons, 1 daughter
Pius IV 1559-1565 3 sons
Gregory XIII 1572-1585 1 son


15 posted on 11/19/2004 12:36:13 PM PST by frithguild (Election 2004 - Many Nights of the Broken Glass)
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To: frithguild
Right off the bat,you offer that old,tired,throw away line about the Apostles. Just go to the Gospels,the writings of Matthew,Mark,Luke and John and show me any passages that state the Apostles wre married.

The only thing you are going to come up with will show you and anyone else that Peter was definitely married,at one time. We know this beause Jesus healed his mother-in-law. Since I was widowed at 27,it is not hard for me to understand that the mother-in-saw probably out lived her daughter,just as my mother-in -law outlived her son,my husband by about 25 years.

When you come back with anything different I will read what you wrote but you will not bcause it is not there.

16 posted on 11/19/2004 12:46:44 PM PST by saradippity
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To: frithguild

I don't know whether the apostles were married or not. We know that at one time Peter certainly was. I don't think anyone here is arguing that there isn't precedent for a married priesthood. For me (and I believe most Roman Catholics who favor a celibate priesthood)I think the reasons are practical ones. I for one would much rather have a married priest than a practicing homosexual, but I really don't want a married priest at all. I like that the priest is a special, annointed figure in our community. I would be uncomfortable confessing sins to a married man.


17 posted on 11/19/2004 12:47:54 PM PST by old and tired
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To: frithguild

I'm also not sure that St. Silverus was ever married.

With the exception of St. Peter, I believe that all of the popes you listed above were widowers whose wives had died before they entered the clergy.


25 posted on 11/19/2004 1:20:21 PM PST by Bohemund
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