Posted on 11/18/2004 10:29:48 AM PST by Land of the Irish
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The term the "Conciliar Church" demonstrates a schismatic intent and a viewpoint of someone outside the visible Catholic Church.
I guess you consider Dr. James Hitchcock a schismatic.
Did he use the term "Conciliar Church"? Do you have a link or a cite? Thanks.
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"Hare Krishna!!"
Hare, Hare! Good Heavens!
This is often true, but not always: I believe the term actually derives from the letter of Msgr. Benelli to Msgr. Lefebvre ordering him to stop ordaining seminarians:
The Holy Father charges me this very day to confirm the measure of which you have been informed in his name, de mandata speciali: you are to abstain, now, from conferring any order. Do not use as a pretext the confused state of the seminarians who were to be ordained: this is just the opportunity to explain to them and to their families that you cannot ordain them to the service of the Church against the will of the supreme Pastor of the Church. There is nothing desperate in their case: if they have good will and are seriously prepared for a presbyteral ministry in genuine fidelity to the Conciliar Church.
"In one of the parishes in Bombay, during Easter, the Liturgical Committee used cow's urine for the 'Asperges' (as used by the Hindus for purificatory rites)."
Holy Cow!
"The term the "Conciliar Church" demonstrates a schismatic intent"
The term conciliar church signifies a new religion, one based on the novelties of Vatican 2 rather than the traditional Catholic Faith.
However, Ecclesia in Asia clearly opposes such actions.
There can be no true evangelization without the explicit proclamation of Jesus as Lord. The Second Vatican Council and the Magisterium since then, responding to a certain confusion about the true nature of the Church's mission, have repeatedly stressed the primacy of the proclamation of Jesus Christ in all evangelizing work. Thus Pope Paul VI explicitly wrote that "there is no true evangelization if the name, the teaching, the life, the promises, the Kingdom and the mystery of Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God, are not proclaimed".
Respect, however, does not eliminate the need for the explicit proclamation of the Gospel in its fullness. Especially in the context of the rich array of cultures and religions in Asia it must be pointed out that "neither respect and esteem for these religions nor the complexity of the questions raised are an invitation to the Church to withhold from these non-Christians the proclamation of Jesus Christ".
In all evangelizing work, however, it is the complete truth of Jesus Christ which must be proclaimed. Emphasizing certain aspects of the inexhaustible mystery of Jesus is both legitimate and necessary in gradually introducing Christ to a person, but this cannot be allowed to compromise the integrity of the faith. In the end, a person's acceptance of the faith must be grounded on a sure understanding of the person of Jesus Christ, as presented by the Church in every time and place, the Lord of all who is "the same yesterday, today and for ever" (Heb 13:8).
In EIA's discussion of inculturation, the example given of something "successfully inculturated through centuries" is the liturgy of the Eastern Catholic and Orthodox Churches - something which is totally opposite to the syncretism noted in the article.
I wish that the SSPX would stop unnecessarily aligning themselves against the Pope by misrepresenting his teaching - his actual words could be a powerful force in defeating the ecumenical and syncretistic heresy in Asia.
Exactly, that sums up those INSIDE the 'conciliar church' quite nicely.
To expand further, the 'conciliar church' is that aposate harlot that adheres lovingly to the sundry heresies and errors of the false second vatican council.
If you need any more help just let me know! [/sarcasm].
"his actual words could be a powerful force in defeating the ecumenical and syncretistic heresy in Asia"
Pope John Paul has strongly and repeatedly endorsed the "spirit of Assisi" as “an invitation to dialogue between the great monotheistic religions in the service of the human family”.
What happened to the urgent need for infidels and idolaters to return to the "one, true Church"?
http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=58590
To the Reverend Brother Cardinal Walter Kasper
President of the Pontifical Council For Promoting Christian Unity
1. I am particularly glad, dear Brother, to give you the responsibility to convey my greetings and my sincere appreciation to all the Representatives of Churches, Ecclesial Communities and major world Religions who have gathered in Milan for this XVIII Meeting entitled "Religions and Cultures: the Courage to Forge a New Spiritual Humanism." For me it is a joy and a consolation to see that the pilgrimage of peace I started in Assisi in October 1986 did not stop. On the contrary, it continues to grow in terms of participants and fruits.
Furthermore, I am pleased to convey my greetings to the beloved Ambrosian Church. With its Archbishop, Cardinal Dionigi Tettamanzi, it generously welcomed this providential meeting once again. I also thank St. Egidio Community for having grasped the importance of what I called "the spirit of Assisi," and having constantly upheld it with audaciousness and perseverance since 1986, nourishing the commitment to a very necessary pathway in today's world, marked by deep misunderstandings and relentless conflicts.
2. The spirit of dialogue and understanding has often lead to endeavors of reconciliation. Unfortunately, new conflicts have broken out, and an attitude which regards conflicts of religions and civilizations as an almost inevitable heritage of history has become widely accepted.
They truly are not! Peace is possible always! We must always work together to eradicate the seeds of bitterness and misunderstanding embedded in culture and life, we must put all our efforts into eradicating humankind's determination to prevail over the other, we need to work together to erase the arrogance of asserting one's own interests disdaining the identity of the other. These feelings are the harbingers of a world of violence and war. But conflict is never unavoidable!
And religions have a specific task in reminding every man and every woman of this awareness, a gift of God and, at the same time, the fruit of centuries of historical experience. This is what I called "the spirit of Assisi." Our world needs this spirit. It needs convictions and behaviors that secure a solid peace to flow from this spirit, to reinforce international institutions and promote reconciliation. The "spirit of Assisi" urges religions to give their contribution to the new humanism today's world needs so badly.
3. The world needs peace. Every day we hear news of violence, terrorist attacks, military operations. Is the world truly abandoning all hope of attaining peace? At times it seems the world is getting used to violence and the shedding of innocent blood. As we face these troublesome events, I bow my head over the Scriptures and there I find the comforting words of Jesus: "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid" (John 14:27).
As Christians who believe in the one who is "our peace" (Ephesians 2:14), his words light up our hope. However, I wish to address and request everybody to withstand the logic of violence, revenge and hatred, and persevere in dialogue. We need to break the deadly chain that imprisons the world and sheds its blood. In this sense, there is so much religious believers can do. The image of peace that rises from the Meeting in Milan encourages many people to embark upon a commitment to peace.
4. In a few days time we shall commemorate that terrible September 11th, 2001, when death reached the very heart of the United States. Three years have passed since then and terrorism sadly seems to be increasing its threats of destruction. The fight against the death-makers doubtless requires firmness and resoluteness. At the same time, however, it is necessary to make every possible effort to eradicate the misery, despair, emptiness of heart and whatever favors this drift towards terror.
We must not let ourselves be overwhelmed by fear, which leads men and women to focus only on themselves and strengthens the selfishness entrenched in the hearts of individuals and groups. We need the courage to globalize solidarity and peace. I am thinking of Africa, first of all, "the continent that seems to incarnate the existing unbalance between the North and the South of the Planet" (Message for the XVI Meeting "Men and Religions": Palermo, August 29th, 2002) and at the heart of my concerns are the Iraqi people. Every day, I invoke for them peace from God, that peace that humankind is not capable of giving.
The Meeting in Milan shows it is crucial for humanity to resolutely make a true commitment to peace. Peace never requires violence, it always calls for dialogue. Especially those who come from Countries whose soil is stained with blood know well that violence constantly generates violence. War throws open the doors to the abyss of evil. War makes anything possible, even what is totally irrational.
That is why war should always be considered a defeat: the defeat of reason and of humanity. May a new spiritual and cultural thrust soon lead humankind to banish war. War never again! I was convinced of this in October 1986 in Assisi, when I asked people belonging to all religions to gather side by side to invoke God for peace. I am even more convinced of it today: as the body grows weak, I feel the power of prayer grow.
5. The title St. Egidio Community has chosen for this year's Meeting is, therefore, very significant: "Religions and Cultures: The Courage to Forge a New Spiritual Humanism." Meeting generates in itself a new humanism, a new way of looking at one another, of understanding each another, of envisioning the world and of working for peace. At the Meeting there are people capable of staying next to one another, who discover how friendship enables them to perceive the extreme dignity of every man and every woman and the richness that is often rooted in diversity.
Dialogue releases the courage for a new spiritual humanism, because it requires to trust in men and women. It never sets person against person. Its purpose is to overcome distance and vulgarity, so we may become aware that we are all creatures of one God, and brothers and sisters all belonging to humankind.
Cherishing these convictions in my heart, I assure you of my participation in spirit in the meeting and invoke upon each of you the heavenly blessings of Almighty God.
Castel Gandolfo, September 3rd, 2004
Joannes Paulus II
[Translation of Italian original published on the Web site of the Community of Sant'Egidio]
That refers to the establishment of temporal peace.
What happened to the urgent need for infidels and idolaters to return to the "one, true Church"?
My direct contact with peoples who do not know Christ has convinced me even more of the urgency of missionary activity, [italics in original] a subject to which I am devoting the present encyclical ... Missionary activity specifically directed "to the nations" (ad gentes) appears to be waning, and this tendency is certainly not in line with the directives of the Council and of subsequent statements of the Magisterium. Difficulties both internal and external have weakened the Church's missionary thrust toward non-Christians, a fact which must arouse concern among all who believe in Christ. For in the Church's history, missionary drive has always been a sign of vitality, just as its lessening is a sign of a crisis of faith. (JP II, Redemptoris Missio, 1-2)The Church therefore cannot forgo her missionary activity among the peoples of the world. It is the primary task of the missio ad gentes to announce that it is in Christ, "the Way, and the Truth, and the Life" (Jn 14:6), that people find salvation. Interreligious dialogue "cannot simply replace proclamation, but remains oriented towards proclamation". (JP II, Novo Millenio Ineunte, 40)
Now I know why SSPX is growing everywhere ...people are just fed up with the wishy washy rheotoric from Rome...
Blessed with the gift of faith, the Church, after two thousand years, continues to go out to meet the peoples of the world in order to share with them the Good News of Jesus Christ. She is a community aflame with missionary zeal to make Jesus known, loved and followed ... At the same time the participants in the Special Assembly testified over and over again to the need for a renewed commitment to the proclamation of Jesus Christ precisely on the continent which saw the beginning of that proclamation two thousand years ago. The words of the Apostle Paul become still more pointed, given the many people on that continent who have never encountered the person of Jesus in any clear and conscious way: "Everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. But how are they to call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher?" (Rom 10:13-14).
"It is the primary task of the missio ad gentes to announce that it is in Christ, "the Way, and the Truth, and the Life" (Jn 14:6), that people find salvation. Interreligious dialogue "cannot simply replace proclamation, but remains oriented towards proclamation"." (JP II, Novo Millenio Ineunte, 40)
Unfortunately, human nature dictates that most people will always follow the path of least resistance - prelates included.
Thus when they perceive two options such as missionary proclamation and interreligious dialogue, even if they believe that both are oriented to the same end, they will always take the path of dialogue rather than proclamation.
The mission of the Church will continue to wane until dialogue is given a much lower profile, and Catholics repent of their universalism and return to belief in a need for that mission: - Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus!
I wish the Pope would practice what he preaches, e.g. stop the Assisi I and II nonsense.
I wish this Pope would exercise paternal correction and discipline regarding his prelates, e.g. Fatima, Mahoney, Pilla, Kasper, Hubbard, this India nonsense, et al?
How many bishops has this Pope reprimanded for their sinful embracement of Modernism, which had so concerned the latest canonized Pope, Saint Pius X?
Zero?
How many bishops has this Pope declared "latae sententiae" excommunicated for their adherence to the Traditions of the Catholic Church?
Six?
Yes and yes.
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