[Maximilian]

In need of a history lesson here. In the past, when a clear and present danger, on a similar order of magnitude presented itself, was the Laity as incapable of effecting a favorable outcome as it is now? Or is schism the only way out?

Excellent question which I have also wondered. Are there any historical precedents to follow? I think I've heard of heretical bishops being chased out of their cathedrals by angry mobs, but I think that was in the East.

I'd be interested to hear any input from those who know of historical precedents where the laity took action against heretical and/or corrupt prelates.

[Stubborn]

I don't ever recall hearing about mobs chasing anyone out - unless he was one of the good guys;-)

The Church usually ended up with those in authority fixing the problem - I don't believe the Church has ever seen so many enemies at the same time in positions of authority.

Maybe nows the time to be the mob and run them out?

[BobCNY]

Usually as during the Arian heresy, God provided strong Bishops to counter evil. We have some of those Bishops now.

The question is how can we support them? I suggest:

1. Prayer and the offering of a Mass

2. Provide only parish level donations and no longer support your diocese or the USCCB (which receives a 1/2 of its funding from each diocese), instead send a check with a copy to your diocese to one of the Bishops that is making a stand

3. Become involved even if it will drive you nuts in your parish specifically in the areas of the Liturgy and CCD (grass roots and take back the parishes).