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To: gbcdoj
Yes, this is the new code of canon law of the current pope - and he has the right to change canon law - but pre-V2, this law would have been called heretical and most probably the cause of many invalid annulments.

Since marriage is contracted through the mutual, expressed consent of the spouses, without the priest and his blessing, a valid marriage can still take place, even though the sacrament is of course lacking. Even a marriage that may have been illicit can still be valid, as such, I fail to understand how the canon law you posted does not contradict previous RCC teachings. OTOH, its easy to see how that canon could ultimately be responsible for many broken families.

28 posted on 11/16/2004 6:01:40 AM PST by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Stubborn
Yes, this is the new code of canon law of the current pope - and he has the right to change canon law - but pre-V2, this law would have been called heretical and most probably the cause of many invalid annulments.

Um...Stubborn, your previous post is a serious example of partial knowledge being more dangerous than no knowledge. Not to be rude, but you obviously don't know what you are talking about. Throughout the Church's history, those mainly responsible for imposing a canonical form of marriage FOR VALIDITY (not just liciety) are Pope St. Pius V and Pope St. Pius X. If anything, Pope John Paul II weakened this requirement in the 1983 Code when he allowed for Catholics, who had defected from the Catholic Faith by means of a formal act, to validly marry outside of canonical form.
38 posted on 11/16/2004 8:39:06 AM PST by GratianGasparri
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To: Stubborn
pre-V2, this law would have been called heretical

Nope. Here, for instance, is Trent's decree on the matter:

Those who shall attempt to contract marriage otherwise than in the presence of the parish priest, or of some other priest by permission of the said parish priest, or of the Ordinary, and in the presence of two or three witnesses; the holy Synod renders such wholly incapable of thus contracting and declares such contracts invalid and null, as by the present decree It invalidates and annuls them. (Council of Trent, Session XXIV, Decree on the Reformation of Marriage, Chapter I)

60 posted on 11/16/2004 3:11:03 PM PST by gbcdoj ("I acknowledge everyone who is united with the See of Peter" - St. Jerome)
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