Posted on 11/15/2004 6:00:16 AM PST by Grey Ghost II
Starting today, 290 of the nation's Catholic bishops will meet at the Capitol Hyatt for their yearly business meeting and to tie up loose ends on the massive sexual-abuse crisis that has shaken the U.S. Catholic Church to its core in the past two years. Although it's been less than a year since the church revealed that there were 10,667 cases of abuse committed by 4,392 priests in a 50-year period, the message at the meeting will be that the crisis is under control.
But it's far from over, says a local Catholic priest who says the true source of the crisis is a priesthood that is "honeycombed" with homosexual clerics, especially in the Diocese of Arlington. However, attempts by the Rev. James Haley, 48, to persuade his bishop of the problem have backfired. After hearing from the priest about numerous instances of homosexual activity among diocesan clergy, Arlington Bishop Paul Loverde ordered the priest silenced Oct. 23, 2001. This "precept of silence" — usually only employed during church trial proceedings — is rarely used to silence a whistleblower. Thus, in the past three years, Father Haley's case, which also involves accusations of sexual misconduct against him, has become a cause celebre among many Catholics in the Diocese of Arlington.
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Then what all of this tells me is that the USCCB as a body, is about as relevant to my life and faith as the body of "bishops" in the ECUSA - though the ECUSA bunch still has the edge on total rad-lib wayout-ness (but not by very much). They elect someone who has a "cloudy memory" about sexual abuse of teenage boys by a priest under his watch back when, his diocese is bankrupt, etc., etc., etc. This is just about the same type of shenanigans that happened in early 1998 when the infamous Edmund Browning (notorious presiding heretic of the ECUSA) was replaced by the now even more infamous Frank "Grizzly" Griwsold as the new presiding heretic. The Christians were outvoted there, too. And we know what Grizzly did, he allowed the okey-dokey for the scandalous V. Gene Robinson. Now I'm not saying that the USCCB is now all set to consecrate an openly practicing homosexual as bishop, with ex-wife and current male lover in attendance....at least not yet.
Reports like what Thor76 posted send me a signal that the USCCB is not really serious, as a body (there are individual bishops who are exceptions), about really cleaning up the house and so on. Business as usual and do a smoke and mirror s thing to fool the people in the pews that they really give a hoot about cracking down on abusers of kids and teens by perverts who were never raised to keep it zipped and keep their hands to themselves. All of which signals to me that the USCCB is just about as relevant to my life and faith as the ECUSA's "bishops" were when they had a coven and then made pronoucements. The Pope may the the ultimate authority on earth and can correct them. The ECUSA does not have such a trump. But otherwise, I don't see much difference between the majority of the USCCB who voted for such a person to lead them, and the bunch in the ECUSA that voted not only to replace Browing with Griswold, but voted in August 2003 to okey-dokey Robinson. One set of ducks just quacks a little bit more radically than the other...more like a difference in shade rather than color.
If I were a parent with sons, I'd make sure they took martial arts and had my permission to use them if anyone, and I mean ANYONE, ever started getting out of line with them. Collar or no collar. Rhetorical question - what the he** kind of signal does this "election" send to concerned parents and boys/teens/grown men who were molested by perverts?!?!?
Oh I'm not planning on going outside the Church. I know I was called into the Church. But there are clearly two churches - one is the one I fell in love with, the Church of the Apostles, Our Mother, Aquinas, Louis Montfort, Alphonsus, Athanasias, Chesterton, Newman, etc., etc., etc. Then there is the romanized episcopagan one, the one where perverts molest boys/teens, liturgy is more like a conga line, and someone who has no business is elected to lead a body of bishops. Wheat and tares. The former I know is Christ's Church. The latter is just another body's attempt at imitating the ECUSA.
You are so correct! However not allowing them to marry keeps many good and godly men out of the priesthood.
Godly men can control themselves.
excellent point!
Excellent post, my friend. I couldn't agree with you more.
Agreed - totally! In the Arch of NY if you threw out all of hte bad apples there would perhaps be less then 100 priests left......but they would be the ones worth keeping.
But you know what? They might have to work.......very hard.......long hours.......the way priests used to work. however i will say that they would not be over burdened. Because the good Catholics would make sure that they were few right, had clean clothes.......that clerical and menial talks were done for them, so all they had to do was to do what is theri job: to priest their people.
I gurantee you - there would be no problem. It would just mean that there would not necessarily be daily/Sunday mass all the time in every locale. But people would be willing to wait for it - with great joy and expectation, as thye would indeed be spiritually fed - if infrequently - by the ministrations of a few good priests!
I think that if we got rid of the poofters, libs, dissenters, mosernist wackjobs and pagans among the Catholic clergy, the majority of the lay chaff would blow out of the granaries, so there would be no priest shortage.
And that would all be a GOOD thing.
If he can't substantiate them, he shouldn't make them.
"B.S. Who are you Johnnie Cochran? This is the Catholic Church. The TRUTH matters whether one has evidence or not."
You do not speak for the Catholic Church. Normal people, Catholics and otherwise, are unwilling to considers something truth until they see evidence. They are also unwilling to make unsubstantiated charges.
"I think that if we got rid of the poofters, libs, dissenters, mosernist wackjobs and pagans among the Catholic clergy, the majority of the lay chaff would blow out of the granaries, so there would be no priest shortage."
Agreed - and you beat me to the punch to eleaborate and express the exact same concept. There would be no real shortage of priests, as the ones who want "liturgy in the worship space" would go elsewhere.
I have said this before, but as a small child in the 60s, I was told - and I am not sure if this is a quote from anyone famous or from a priest in the pulpit of our church - that Vatican II would be a winnowing process......a test of faith......a seperation of wheat from chaff.....of whom could endure the longest, against all odds.
Your statement may well prove that out.
"Would you decide to leave known child mollesters and killers on the list of babysitters for your children so that you would have a bigger list?"
Judging by his continued inaction in the face of a massive sodomite invasion of the sanctuary, the pope's answer to your question is "yes".
"The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep, but the hired hand runs away when the wolf comes."
Hmmm...
Jesus never said anything about a man who hires more and more wolves to watch the sheep.
Another approach to the question...
http://www.rcf.org/docs/anotherapproach.htm
Outside the Church there is no salvation.
Don't let the devil or the apostates drive you away. Salvation is within the Church..somehow. Jesus will see to it.
I intend to be one of the 'remnant' that is spoken of in the Bible. My way of coping is to just give a nod to the modern Church and go on the way of tradition as best I can - within the Church.
Salvation doesn't even lie in the number of Catholic schools. I wouldn't even send my children to one.
Not a deep plan, but I will not be driven from the Church. Even a fallen Priest is still a Priest.
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