[D Edmund Joaquin]

Ok. They're not atheistic. What does that mean? That they believe in God, or something? I'm not sure what you mean.

Mathematics, even the highest form, is still just opinion, or conjecture, not absolute reality.

Theology, when it comes from men, is just opinion as well. But our theology does not come from man. Yet, we have in ourselves, no language to convey this to our brothers on the other side of the gulf. We have to use the Words of God which quickens them. And after all, isn't that what the rapture really is, the quickening?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for your reply!

I'm not sure what you mean.

I mean that a mathematician or physicist working under the constraints of "scientific materialism" would not necessarily dismiss out-of-hand the notion that one can exist concurrently in a temporal dimension as well as eternity (non-temporal or timelessness).

Mathematics, even the highest form, is still just opinion, or conjecture, not absolute reality.

On other threads, we've gathered up and compared quite a range of views on "what is reality?" It is a fascinating conversation starter and is particularly useful in understanding where the other poster is "coming from" in his remarks. Here's a summary:

To a metaphysical naturalist, "reality" is all that exists in nature

To an autonomist "reality" is all that is, the way it is

To an objectivist "reality" is that which exists

To tpaine, “reality” is all about us, and it is best defined by the bad things that happen when it is ignored.

To a mystic "reality" may include thought as substantive force and hence, a part of "reality"

To Plato "reality" includes constructs such as redness, chairness, numbers, geometry and pi

To Aristotle these constructs are not part of "reality" but merely language

To some physicists, "reality" is the illusion of quantum mechanics

To Christians "reality" is God's will and unknowable in its fullness.