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To: fortheDeclaration
when one believes now he is neither Jew nor Gentile in the eyes of God, but a member of the Body of Christ.

True. No argument here.

Rom 11:25 - How can the 'fullness of the Gentiles' be referring to the 'fullness of the body' when the body of Christ is neither Jew nor Gentile?

Eph 1:23 - "which is His body, the fullness of Him" describes Jesus, not the body of Christ

Eph 4:13 - again... "fullness of Christ". This passage addresses the purpose of the Gifts... not a description OF the body of Christ.

1 Cor 12:12-13 Addresses the importance of All gifts of THE Spirit, calling for 'Unity In Christ'. (being of one mind)
This describes unity... not completeness

Luke 21:24 - "times of the Gentiles" is referring to the tribulation period. See verse 22: "these are the days of vengeance,..." The outcalling from among the Gentiles of a people for Christ's name continues during the tribulation, as you stated before.

Again... If the body is to grow during the tribulation, how can you call the body complete before then?
1,517 posted on 01/22/2005 9:57:53 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns
There is only one body, and that is the church.

The Body is a specific designation for the Church, not for believers of any other period (hence a mystery)

Once the fullness of the Gentiles has been arrived at, then the Body of Christ, His bride, will be complete and be removed.

Saved Jews of the Old Testament (and Tribulation) are friends of the bride, not the bride.(Jn.3:29)

1,518 posted on 01/22/2005 10:11:41 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Safrguns
Rom 11:25 - How can the 'fullness of the Gentiles' be referring to the 'fullness of the body' when the body of Christ is neither Jew nor Gentile?

It is the Gentiles who are being 'grafted into the Jewish tree' of salvation.(Rom.11,4)

The Jews have been set aside (mystery of hardening) while this new body, made up of mostly Gentiles is being formed.

Paul states that the Gentiles being saved and being changed from Gentile to Christian is to provoke the Jews to envy.

Salvation was always of the Jew,(Rom.3) but now the Gentiles are the ones being saved, while the Jews are blinded.

Yet, when the full number of Gentiles and individual Jews have been added to the church, then that body will be removed be wed to Christ (Rev.19:7-9)

Saved Jews and Gentiles of the Old Testament and Tribulation are not church, are not the Body of Christ, are not the Bride of Christ.

Thus, there are three groups of saved people, Gentiles, Jews and Christian.

Abraham is a saved Jew (not part of the Body)

Noah is a saved Gentile (Not part of the Body)

Paul is a saved Jew who became a Christian (part of the Body) the Eunich of Acts 8 was a Gentile who became a Christian (Part of the Body).

The church age began in Acts 2 and will run until the Rapture.

When the Body becomes complete (Rom.11:25) then the church will be removed and the Tribulation will begin which is a continuation of the Old Testament, and there will be saved Jews and Gentiles, but no Christians (no Body)

1,519 posted on 01/22/2005 10:26:16 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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