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PROPHETIC SIGNS THAT WE ARE IN THE END TIMES [A good summary of SOME key evidences--QX]
CONTENDER MINISTRIES ^ | 11 JUL 2004 | JENNIFER RAST

Posted on 11/07/2004 8:40:35 PM PST by Quix

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To: 185JHP

True, true, Thanks.


1,541 posted on 01/22/2005 8:04:24 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: JockoManning

Sure. That would be fine. Happy to post dreams and visions anonymously.


1,542 posted on 01/22/2005 8:15:24 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix

The serpent at work, with malice for all, with charity for none. I'm glad I've read the last Chapter...


1,544 posted on 01/23/2005 1:26:20 AM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: 185JHP; HairOfTheDog; thecabal; JockoManning; FairOpinion; snarks_when_bored; All

Thanks, HairOfTheDog; thecabal; JockoManning; FairOpinion; snarks_when_bored; for your . . . kind msgs.

HOTD,

Actually, I don’t want the end times at all—except that I want whatever God is doing and His will.

I have 10 lifetimes worth of things I’d prefer to do that the end times will prevent.

Evidently few, if any read the lower article. Below are some excerpts and some info from the regular news source links about the topic.

I still don’t know if the homeless thing was a total hoax for a joke or a well placed disinformation campaign.

Blessings,


44,000 PRISON INMATES TO BE CHIPPED IN OHIO article at SILICON.COM

http://networks.silicon.com/lans/0,39024663,39122811,00.htm

Consider the following:

As far back as 1973, Senior Scholastics introduced school age children to the concept of buying and selling using numbers inserted in their forehead. In the September 20, 1973 feature "Who Is Watching You?" the secular high school journal speculated:

"All buying and selling in the program will be done by computer. No currency, no change, no checks. In the program, people would receive a number that had been assigned them tattooed in their wrist or forehead. The number is put on by laser beam and cannot be felt. The number in the body is not seen with the naked eye and is as permanent as your fingerprints.

All items of consumer goods will be marked with a computer mark. The computer outlet in the store which picks up the number on the items at the checkstand will also pick up the number in the person's body and automatically total the price and deduct the amount from the person's 'Special Drawing Rights' account."

In the 1974 article "The Specter of Eugenics," Charles Frankel pointed out Linus Pauling's (Nobel Prize winner) suggestions that a mark be tattooed on the foot or forehead of every young person. Pauling envisioned a mark denoting genotype.

In 1980, U.S. News and World Report continued the warning, pointing out that the Federal Government was contemplating "National Identity Cards," without which nobody could work or conduct business.

The Denver Post Sun followed up in 1981, claiming that chip implants could someday replace I.D. cards. The June 21, 1981 story read in part, "The chip is placed in a needle which is affixed to a simple syringe containing an anti-bacterial solution. The needle is capped and ready to forever identify something--or somebody."

The May 7, 1996 Chicago Tribune questioned the technology, wondering aloud if we could trust Big Brother under our skin?

Then in 1997 applications for patents of subcutaneous implant devices for "a person or an animal" were applied for.

On April 27, 1998, Time Magazine ran the story, The Big Bank Theory And What It Says About The Future OF Money, in which they opined "Your daughter can store the money any way she wants--on her laptop, on a debit card, even (in the not too distant future) on a chip implanted under her skin."
In August 1998 the BBC covered the first known human microchip implantation.

That same month the Sunday Oregonian warned that proposed medical identifiers might erode privacy rights by tracking individuals through alphanumeric health identifier technologies. The startling Oregonian feature depicted humans with barcodes in their foreheads.

Senator Robb (Virginia) felt it necessary to add the MARC (multi-technology automated reader card) Card Amendment to the FY97 DOD Authorization Bill.

One can only speculate why bionics is now attempting to create organisms that contain linked organic (human cells) material with biometric chips for human implantation (documentation site).

Recently millions of Today Show viewers watched an American family get "chipped" with ADS's VeriChip™ live from a doctor's office in Boca Raton.

Meanwhile, terrorism has many people in the mood these days to sacrifice human liberties... and Digital Angel has opened its mass production factory in Palm Beach, Florida.

[The ominous Oregonian feature]

WILL DIGITAL "MARKS" SOON BE MANDATORY?
Makers of implantable microchips claim the procedure will be voluntary. But a report written by Elaine M. Ramish for the Franklin Pierce Law Center says:

"A [mandatory] national identification system via microchip implants could be achieved in two stages: Upon introduction as a voluntary system, the microchip implantation will appear to be palatable. After there is a familiarity with the procedure and a knowledge of its benefits, implantation would be mandatory."

George Getz, the communications director for the Libertarian Party agrees, saying:

After all, the government has never forced anyone to have a driver license, [but] try getting along without one, when everyone from your local banker to the car rental man to the hotel operator to the grocery store requires one in order for you to take advantage of their services, that amounts to a de facto mandate. If the government can force you to surrender your fingerprints to get a drivers license, why can't it force you to get a computer chip implant?

People like Mr. Getz are correct. Conservatives and liberals alike need to contact state and federal representatives and demand laws preserving individual rights before Digital Angel and similar forces lead humanity down a high-tech path of no return.

In the same way Social Security numbers were voluntary before becoming mandatory, biometric chip implants will be compulsory in the future unless citizens rise up in immediate and national opposition. Even Applied Digital Solution's chief executive officer Richard Sullivan envisions a scenario where ``people [are] required to be chipped or [have] some combination of a device requiring them to be scanned and monitored at all times.'' [1]

Note what the prophet said!

And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark (charagma; [Greek charax] meaning to stake into or "stick into") in their right hand, or in their foreheads....Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six (Rev. 13:16-18)

Did the prophet foresee a hypodermic needle injecting something beneath the skin? Sounds like it.

A temporary victory was won against such ideas following the original news story by Raiders News Update concerning ADS's implantable microchip intentions in 1999. News services across the web ran our story resulting in an inundation by concerned readers. ADS's shares droped on the Nasdaq from $5.00 to .50 each. ADS then released this statement:

"We are not pursuing any applications for embedded chips and we have moved away from that for a couple of reasons....There are a number of privacy concerns and religious implications -- fundamentalist Christian groups [Raiders News Update] regard it [implanting computer chips] as the Devil's work."

The reprieve didn't last long. The Palm Beach testing center's wristwatch version of Digital Angel was successful and ADS announced it would "start implanting them inside humans between the muscle and the skin on the forearm next year."

Then on 9-11, terrorism came along, the perfect incentive for mandating everything from face scanning to implantable chips as not only inevitable, but perhaps simply a good idea.

These are differences in degree, not in kind, and forecast a prediction made long ago:

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Rev. 14:9-11)

© 2004 RaidersNewsUpdate.com

SOME OF THE LINKS FROM STANDARD TYPES OF SOURCES ARE:

SMART MONEY link:

http://yahoo.smartmoney.com/onedaywonder/index.cfm?story=20041013&afl=yahoo


FORBES LINK:

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/general/2004/10/14/generalcomtex_2004_10_14_md_0000-104775-.industrytopstories.corp.html?partner=yahoo&referrer=


ZD NET AUSTRALIA:

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/0,2000061744,39163117,00.htm


MEXICO JUDICIAL WORKERS CHIPPED IS ON BOTTOM OF THIS LINK:

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/lead-story13.htm

HERE’S the article:

CHIP IMPLANTED IN MEXICO JUDICIAL WORKERS
Jul 14, 2004 5:30 PM (ET)

By WILL WEISSERT
MEXICO CITY (AP) - Security has reached the subcutaneous level for Mexico's attorney general and at least 160 people in his office - they have been implanted with microchips that get them access to secure areas of their headquarters.
It's a pioneering application of a technology that is widely used in animals but not in humans.
Mexico's top federal prosecutors and investigators began receiving chip implants in their arms in November in order to get access to restricted areas inside the attorney general's headquarters, said Antonio Aceves, general director of Solusat, the company that distributes the microchips in Mexico.
Attorney General Rafael Macedo de la Concha and 160 of his employees were implanted at a cost to taxpayers of $150 for each rice grain-sized chip. FULL STORY


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WORLD MEDIA DIGEST VIA FORBES:

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/general/2004/10/14/generalheraldnet_2004_10_14_eng-heraldnet_eng-heraldnet_025737_3344245875639399338.html?partner=yahoo&referrer=

WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE ABOUT LOSS OF PRIVACY includes mining of credit card data and projections about mining implant chip data

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34098-2004Oct14.html?sub=AR

SFGATE.COM ARTICLE ABOUT BRAINWASHING TOWARD GLOBAL CONTROL

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/08/01/INGRR7UIJ31.DTL

INTL HERALD TRIBUNE. BIG BROTHER DISGUISED AS A CELL PHONE.

http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?file=532500.html


MSNBC FUTURE OF SHOPPING:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5093197/site/newsweek/


JAPANESE SCHOOL CHILDREN TO BE CHIPPED. SILICON.COM article:

http://networks.silicon.com/lans/0,39024663,39122042,00.htm


FORTUNE article on PETER LEWIS ON TECH
RFID: Getting Under Your Skin?
Chip implants present some intriguing possibilities-and raise a host of concerns about privacy and ethics.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/ontech/0,15704,675442,00.html


BBC ARTICLE about students using eye scanners at new school:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/3056162.stm


INFORMATION WEEK article about Bahrain Takes Swipe Into The Future With New Smart ID Cards Aug. 26, 2003

http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=13900098


CHIP GUSSIED UP WITH BIOSENSORS article at WIRED NEWS:

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,60156,00.html

CHIPPED FAMILY at THE FEATURE site:

http://www.thefeature.com/article?articleid=46002


SHRILLERY SUPPORTS NATIONAL ID:

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/hillary666.htm


MEDICAL PRIVACY RULES ADVANCE NATIONAL ID: NEWSMAX COM

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/5/154456.shtml


SATELLITE BABY SITTING SERVICE WIRED NEWS site:

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,52253,00.html


UPI: BILL WOULD PUSH DRIVER’S LIC CHIP

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=30042002-113901-6626r


WASHINGTON POST: NEXT AN ID CHIP IMPLANTED IN YOUR BODY?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A62663-2001Dec18&notFound=true


EYE TO EYE WITH BIG BROTHER at SMH.COM.AU

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/03/29/1017206149245.html?oneclick=true


WORLD NET DAILY: THE DIGITAL DEVIL:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27084


BUSINESS WIRE.COM INVITES ANDY ROONEY TO GET CHIPPED.

http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?bw.021102/220422352&ticker=ADSX


WIRED NEWS BRAZILIAN POL WANTS CHIPPED.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,50435,00.html


WORLD NET DAILY: Post-9/11 security fears
usher in subdermal chips
VeriChip recipients can be ID'd,
monitored anywhere in the world

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26316


WORLD NET DAILY: MARK OF THE BEAST?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26217


WASH POST NEXT: AN ID CHIP PLANTED IN YOUR BODY

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A62663-2001Dec18&notFound=true


MASSACHUSETTS MASONS SETUP ID CHIP FOR CHILDREN PROGRAM:

http://www.mychip.org/


THE WELL. SALON.COM PUT THAT CHIP WHERE THE SUN DOESN’T SHINE:

http://www.mychip.org/


SURFING THE APOCALYPSE PATENTS FOR CONTROL:

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/intelligence2.html#patentscontrol


JEWISH WORLD REVIEW: CAN WE FOOL MOTHER NATURE about chip implant

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0798/mothernature.html


ACCESS EXCELLENCE: THE CHIPS ARE COMING:

http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/AB/BA/biochip.html


CNN: IS THAT A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER OR ARE YOU HAPPY TO SEE ME?

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9809/02/chippotent.idg/index.html


BIOMETRIC CONSORTIUM:

http://www.biometrics.org/


CNN HIGH TECH DOG TAGS:

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9712/27/high.tech.dog.tags/index.html


NETWORK USA: Military Personnel to be Issued Smart Card
Called "M.A.R.C." Card

http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint/page1/fp-marc-card.html


Quix: Have never gone through a long list of links before where half to 60% of them were no longer good. Interesting.

Cheers, prayers and . . . AVOID THE SLAG!


1,545 posted on 01/23/2005 10:05:32 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix

Qx: Appreciate your effort to provide this info.

And they overcame [the enemy] by the Blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

Rev. 12:11


1,546 posted on 01/24/2005 2:27:25 AM PST by JockoManning (www.biblegateway.com)
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To: JockoManning

Thanks much.

Have a blessed day and week.


1,547 posted on 01/24/2005 7:44:13 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: JockoManning; All

Decided that one thing I might do while vegging out before going back to bed . . . was to update somewhat the better docs from BILL SOMER'S prophecy docs site.

http://www.etpv.org/whatsnew.html




The Wedge And Many X’s

Mike Tucker





The Wedge



01-14-05 As I was praying to the Lord about the state of this nation a vision came to me: I saw a mass of people. A great wedge was thrust up in the middle of them and divided them in two groups. Very many separated to the left, many separated to the right. As the wedge grew higher, I noticed some people were still clinging to the apex (the middle high point of the wedge). As the wedge grew higher those that clung to the middle could no longer hold on. Almost all that clung to the middle fell to the left. Only a couple fell to the right. The very last one fell to the right. Then the vision ended. At the end of the vision the Lord said, “I am driving the wedge”.



The left and the right in this vision is not a political position. It is a separating of His people from the world domain. The longer people cling to the middle, the more likely they will find themselves on the wrong side of God’s wedge. Those that separate to the left will perish.



Many X’s



01-18-05 As I was praying and fasting before the Lord to receive more revelation concerning a dream where ‘X’ marked the spot of danger (see below) a vision came to me:



I saw a simple contour map of the USA. There were scores of X’s marked on the map. Most were placed on the East and West coastline. Some X’s were overlapping in populated areas. Virtually none were in the heartland. Since I live in Texas I took great care to examine what areas had X’s. I saw Amarillo, Dallas/Fort Worth, Austin, San Antonio and Houston areas were marked.



X marks the spot (reposted)



01-09-05 This dream is one scene from a larger dream concerning cataclysmic events in the US: I dreamed I took a bite of meat and then saw the word ‘DangerX’. Then it morphed into the word ‘PoisenX’ and then it morphed again into the word ‘RadiationX’. I heard the words ‘X marks the spot’ but no location of ‘X’ was shown at that moment.



These X’s mark a variety of dangers that will befall different cities. The timing is in the hand of the Lord. His mercy and love is what stays these events as He allows precious time for the Body to wake up. That is, there is a time coming soon when those that sleep will perish and those that wake up shall live.


1,548 posted on 01/27/2005 10:29:37 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: JockoManning

Trials Will Come And A King Will Emerge

Stephen Hanson

Jan. 22, 2005

[6] In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. [7] These have come so that your faith--of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire--may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. [8] Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, [9] for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls. I Peter 1:6



DA 11:36 "The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. [37] He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. [38] Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his fathers he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. [39] He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price.



“These are the days that are hastening forward to my soon return. You will be tested in ways that you know not. Many of you have gone through testings and trials, but there are still testings to be done. “



“I tell you, the time is coming when the United States will be besieged. Your boundaries will be crossed over. Your military will not stop this. But to those who wonder, “Will you be safe?” I tell you, I will protect my own. These days will be ushered in. My prophetic time table is hastening forward. “



(The Lord showed me a scene of a table. It was dark all around but then this table was pushed aside and another one emerged. On top of this table was a cloth that seemed to hide some of the objects that were on this table. One of these objects was a sword. It had many jewels and designs on it. Next to this was a crown. However, this crown was not the one that the Lord would wear, but it was another one that was for another “supposed king.”)



“I tell you, a king will arise out of the east. He will have no regard for the faith of his fathers. Many think that they already know who he is. I tell you that he has not been revealed yet. Those who lift up the sword will die by the sword. But my kingdom will be an everlasting one. “



Stephen Hanson

HCR 79 Box 3081

Cuba, NM 87013

http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisTruth

tseyigai@yahoo.com


1,549 posted on 01/27/2005 10:31:56 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: JockoManning

Urgent Times

David and Kathie Walters

Urgent Times -Your Seed And Your Seeds' Seed
by David and Kathie Walters (Davidmwalters@mindspring,com)

Unexpected Vision

Years ago when we were busy pastoring a great church we visited Kansas City. While we were there David had a very strategic vision. Please read and please pass on to Pastors, children's pastors, youth pastors, parents.



David's vision 17 years ago was of today's terrorists.



During the night David had a very vivid vision. He saw young boys, 8,9,10 years of age and up. They appeared to be Middle Eastern Muslim young boys. They were being trained in warfare with weapons. Guns, grenades, explosives. They were intent and very serious sand dedicated. Then he saw American church children and youth- goofing around, watching videos, playing games.



The Lord spoke to David, "The enemy is training his army and my church is entertaining her children."



Well guess who those young Muslim boys were? They were TODAY'S TERRORISTS.



Everyone, Including The Children And Youth Must Have Their Own Personal Revival



More churches today are training the young people instead of entertaining them. But, still there are many churches where the kids and youth don't have encounters with God, where the young people are not moving in the power of the Spirit, have not had a close encounter of the heavenly kind for themselves.



Every child and teen must have their own personal revival. Head knowledge and being able to give the right answers to the questions is not going to cut it when the rubber hits the road so to speak.



This is what God sees when He sees your children and youth, They don't have a Junior Holy Spirit. He wants to use them and equip them and give them a powerful experience of Himself.



God Sees The Kids And Youth Just The Same As Anyone Else.



Joseph "dreamed a dream" as a teenager ( Gen 37:2-11 ) that overturned the status quo.



God called Samuel as a boy and spoke to him and gave him a judgment word for Eli ( 1 Sam.3:4-10)



Saul told David he was "but a youth" when he stepped up to fight Goliath ( 1 Sam. 17:33)



Jeremiah said he couldn't speak for he was "but a youth" ( Jer.1:6-8).



Mary was around 14 years old when she conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit ( Luke 1:26-31).



Paul told Timothy, "Let no one despise your youth" (1 Tim 4:12).



Children And Youth In History



Jonathon Edwards, the famous New England Preacher, entered Yale University at 13 years of age, and graduated a Valedictorian at seventeen.



Catherine Booth, co founder of the Salvation Army, was a devout Christian and by the age of twelve she had read the Bible through eight times. She also wrote articles for magazines as a child



Frances Ridley Havergail, famous poet and Hymn writer could quote the whole of the New Testament and the book of Psalms at the age of four and read it in the Greek at the age of eight. In a letter to her mother, Miss. Havergal, referring to her extraordinary musical and lyrical ability, which she called "Curious musical visions" once wrote, "I hear strange and very beautiful chords, generally full, slow and grand, succeeding each other in most interesting sequences. I do not invent them, I could not; they pass before my mind, and I only listen."



Some of the great works of Shelley, Byron, Keats, Chopin, and Mozart were composed when they were teenagers. Hitler and Mussolini built their power on young people.



Charles Haddon Spurgeon, the 18th century pastor was known as the "Prince of Preachers." He was studying theology when he was 11 years old. He started preaching at 15 years of age. Became a pastor at 17 years of age and ended up having the largest church in London, England, preaching to 10.000 people when he was 19 years of age. By the time he was 21 years of age he was the most famous preacher in all the land.



Joan of Arc, ( The maid) was called to lead the armies of France against the English at about 20-21 years old. She received revelation that she was to go to France, and heard the voice of the angels at thirteen years of age. When she was finally burned at the stake, the English were terrified because her heart refused to burn. An English Officer who detested her and vowed to personally carry a torch to light the pyre, saw a white dove descend and immediately repented.



David Glasgow Farragut born near Knoxville, Tennessee on July 6, 1801. The man who would eventually become the first Admiral of the United States Navy, went to sea at the age of eight and received his first Naval appointment as midshipman at large at the age of nine and a half. At age eleven he saw his first combat and commanded a vessel at age twelve!



John Quincy Adams was Ambassador to Katherine the Great of Russia when he was 14 years of age.



MANY POWERFUL INTERCESSORS HAVE BEEN RAISED UP in the last 10 years through out ministry and ministries like Esther Illinsky. Esther is raising up one million child intercessors all over the world.



Many children today are being used by God in very powerful ways. Some of the most powerful intercession meetings I have ever been in have been with children. During the Gulf war my secretary and I were praying with her two children and my own two girls.



Child's Open Vision During Desert Storm



The kids wanted to pray for the soldiers in the Desert. The anointing came on my daughter, Faith, and she knelt at the coffee table and started to draw. She drew an underground bunker ( before they made mention of those on the TV news). She drew what was in every room, she drew what was on the top to disguise it. She pointed to one room. "They have a missile launcher there but it doesn't quite work right and we need to pray it wont." They did have one of those remember? and it always slightly missed the mark.



Then she had an open vision. "I see an American plane and it has been hit, the pilot is bailing out but he is coming down in the desert and there are enemy troops nearby. We must pray for him for somewhere to hide."



The four children started praying in the spirit. Then Faith said, "It's OK, he found somewhere."



Then she saw another American plane looking for him and the kids stated praying again. "It's OK" she said, they heard his beeper." The plane dangerously short of fuel - had to fly back and get more fuel- then fly over a 4 lane highway full of Iraqi tanks, but they made it miraculously and picked up the downed pilot.



Faith (13) saw the whole thing in the Spirit. As she saw, she spoke it out and the kids prayed. She saw him rescued. The pilot's testimony was in Readers Digest June 1991



Please pass on and encourage people to go to David's website "Raising a generation of Anointed Children and Youth. David will come and impart a vision to your church or ministry and bring the young people into the anointing. David uses the children and youth in his miracle services - every week he sees deaf ears open, broken bones instantly healed, all kinds of sickness and disease instantly healed. He calls it, "The laying on of sticky fingers."



I believe this is a call of God right now- it is very urgent and important. Pray for your church to get a vision, to stop putting the kids in another room and giving them a coloring book and a video instead of the encounters of God.



Check out our Illustrated Bible study books for kids. Get a copy of "Kids in Combat" for your pastor and children's pastor. DON'T LEAVE THE CHILDREN OUT -God is placing some of these children in the front row of His army- I have seen it in the Spirit. Remember that children and youth do not have a junior Holy Spirit



www.goodnews.netministries.org If you would like David to come,
you can call our office, his secretary is Sharon 478 757 8071
David's email is davidmwalters@mindspring.com


1,550 posted on 01/27/2005 10:45:22 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: JockoManning

Visions Of Devastation

Sue Love

“Then the Lord gave me a vision of his judgment on the earth. It was in the form of an earthquake in a land that was near a major water way, and what I saw was an explosion, fire falling, the earth opening up, people falling through the holes and getting buried alive, people crushed by rocks, men hanging from trees, and people being swept away to their deaths by rushing waters... Then, that night (November 26, 2004) at around 8:00 p.m. God gave me a vision of what he had previously shown me was going to happen, only this time it was as though it were really happening to my brother and all his family at that moment in time.”

“Then, on December 25 at approximately 8:00 p.m. our time or 8:00 a.m. on December 26th at the Epicenter, God did just what he showed me in that vision, only not in the USA to my family members, but in Asia and impacting 12 countries and killing at least 150,000 people so far.”

On Sunday, November 21st, after our Bible study that evening, a group of 14 of us from This Space Available Ministries marched around a set of buildings on Caldwell Street in downtown, Rock Hill, SC. God had led me to consider that set of buildings as our “Jericho,” and I believed that if we marched around the buildings for seven days, kind of like the Israelites marched around their Jericho, that God would give us the land for us to possess. We need a building for our church, and as we prayer walked around those buildings, we believed God was going to provide us with a building. We had been praying for a building for four years. We had begun this process on the previous Monday and it ended on Sunday with us marching around the buildings seven times. On the seventh time around we shouted and we believed God was going to bring the walls down (figuratively speaking), though we did not really understand what that meant at that time.

During the week that followed, God opened his word to me in a way that I had never seen before, even though I have been a student of the Bible for fifty years. He was showing me all kinds of prophecies concerning End Times, and he was using me, my family, and those around me to illustrate for me what was going to happen in those final days. I have studied End Times before, but little of the particulars of it ever really stuck with me other than a very basic understanding of the events. So, I had few preconceived ideas concerning the events, the timing, or how it was all going to happen. What God was showing me was that marching around our “Jericho” was much bigger than just our little TSA group getting in a building. What he began showing me was that his coming is near and that the way we are to conquer our Jericho and our Canaan is by telling people that they need to repent and believe the Good News because the kingdom of God is near and Jesus is coming soon, and by being “Jesus” to the world around us in feeding the poor, providing for the needy, ministering to the hurting, the lonely, the imprisoned, etc.

Then the Lord gave me a vision of his judgment on the earth. It was in the form of an earthquake in a land that was near a major water way, and what I saw was an explosion, fire falling, the earth opening up, people falling through the holes and getting buried alive, people crushed by rocks, men hanging from trees, and people being swept away to their deaths by rushing waters. I had sensed that God was saying to me that something was going to take place on Thanksgiving Day that would open the way for us to go in and take possession of the land, and when nothing happened that day, I prayed about it, asking him to show me what I had missed. He then gave me the verse about a prophet praying for the sun to stand still for a day in order to win a battle, and he indicated to me that he had given me an extra day. The next morning, my brother Noel called me at 9:00 a.m. and his message said, “Happy Thanksgiving.”

Then, that night at around 8:00 p.m. God gave me a vision of what he had previously shown me was going to happen, only this time it was as though it were really happening to my brother and all his family at that moment in time. The vision lasted around 40 minutes, I think. It was so real. I had never experienced anything like that before. I did not know if this had really taken place or if it was a vision of future events, but immediately after I had the vision, we celebrated our youngest son’s 24th birthday. We celebrated it two days after his birthday. Our daughter had put the candles on the cake, but she forgot two of the candles, so after he had blown out his candles on the cake, she lit those separately and he blew those out. I felt this was significant at the time and that it was connected with the vision, but I did not know how. I thought perhaps God was telling me that this vision was going to be fulfilled in two years on our son’s birthday, which will be the day after Thanksgiving in two years. And, I documented all of this in writing at the time in my journal and I shared all or parts of it with family members and with people in our Bible study group both verbally and in writing over the next several weeks.

Then, the Lord expanded the vision. He used the passage in Ezekiel 12, the book of Joshua and other OT passages in addition to the book of Revelation to give me a picture of what I believe he had in mind. He gave me a picture of him destroying a third of the earth and that he would leave survivors and that they would be exiles and that we would need to prepare cities of refuge for those exiles, one of which is to be in downtown Rock Hill, I believe. I felt he might be telling me that he wanted me to be a kind of Noah or a Joseph in preparing a storehouse of goods in preparation for when this destruction takes place so that the exiles have a place they can go and can have provisions for their needs. And, I believed I was also to be a type of Joshua in leading the children of God into the “Promised Land,” though my thinking of what that meant was and is still incomplete.

I believe the Lord gave me a picture of being stranded on an “island” and that once God had removed the competition, he was going to use me as a leader in his church to see many people come to know Jesus. He used the story of the disciples fishing and not catching any fish and then Jesus showing them where to throw their nets and then them catching more fish than their boats could hold. I also read a story in “Sacred Romance,” a book about our relationship with Jesus, that used the story of Forest Gump and Lt Dan on their shrimp boat and how they had not caught any fish and then a fierce storm came and wiped out all the competition and then they were able to catch lots of fish. I believed this was a picture of the beginning of the tribulation period after God pours out his judgment on the earth. I believe many people are going to repent of their sin and are going to turn to God during that time and that the “competition” that will be wiped out will be all those churches and religious leaders who are teaching a social gospel, so that the only gospel that will be preached at that time will be the gospel of repentance. And, I think this destruction is going to usher in the time of tribulation and the beginning of the rule of the Antichrist, though I don’t think he is revealed to everyone until 3.5 years later.

Following those ten days of God flooding me with these visions of End Times, God woke me up early one morning with an urgency to go and tell people that the kingdom of God is near, that they need to repent and believe the Good News, because Jesus is coming soon. The events surrounding that are documented in another writing, so I will not repeat them here other than to state that God had me, an out of shape 55 year old woman, walk for 12 hours telling people everywhere I went that Good News of Jesus’ second coming and of their need to repent. The 12 hour walk was grueling, and I faced a lot of ridicule and scorn along the way, and I have experienced the world hating me now in a way I had never known before, but all this was preparation for End Times.

My youngest son announced to us a couple of days later that he was getting married on December 23rd, which is my oldest brother’s birthday (the brother in the vision). I felt at the time that there was something significant to this, as well. And, so I documented it. God had given me several visions connecting my brother to my youngest son, too, which for now I am just tucking away in my heart until God helps me to understand what they mean.

Then, on December 25 at approximately 8:00 p.m. our time or 8:00 a.m. on December 26th at the Epicenter, God did just what he showed me in that vision, only not in the USA to my family members, but in Asia and impacting 12 countries and killing at least 150,000 people so far. December 25th is two days after my brother’s birthday, so perhaps in God connecting my son with my brother in the vision, God was telling me that the events in the vision were going to take place two days after my brother’s birthday. My brother’s name is Noel, which means Christmas. In my vision, I thought something was going to happen on November 25th (Thanksgiving Day), but in the vision God did what he had planned to do on November 26th at approximately 8:00 p.m. I find it interesting then that the earthquake in Asia took place on the 25th in our time zone and on the 26th at the Epicenter but the hour was the same, 8:00, just 12 hours apart. But, I also believe God was and is telling me “two years” for the USA during which time or before the time he pours out his judgment on us. He has given me that “two years” from many sources.

When I was led by God that day to go around the city and tell people that Jesus is coming soon, he told me to walk the length and the breadth of the land, but he did not provide a map and then he had me remove my glasses so that he would be my eyes, and later I traced on the map the path that he had me take and it was in the shape of an 8. Also, I read in an article that Jericho was in the shape of a pear, and the tracing on my map could also resemble a pear shape. I don’t know what significance there is to the route he had me take on my walk or even if there is any other than I did walk the length of the land of Rock Hill and all the way to the east and part way to the west of Rock Hill. One thing else that I read was that Jericho was the city of Palms, and SC is the Palmetto State.

I had read in my quiet time just a couple of weeks ago the story of Gideon’s call of God to save the Israelites from the hand of the Midianites. An angel of the Lord appeared to Gideon and said, “The LORD is with you, mighty warrior.” Gideon’s response was that if the Lord was with them then why were all these bad things happening to them. He felt abandoned by God. The LORD answered back, “Go in the strength you have and save Israel out of Midian’s hand. Am I not sending you?” Gideon still questioned God as to how God would do this through them since they were so small in number and he was not important. The LORD answered, “I will be with you and you will strike down all the Midianites together.” Then Gideon asked for a sign that it was really God talking to him, and God gave him a sign. I feel that God has now given me such a sign through the tragedy in Asia and through him showing me how this tragedy was a fulfillment or partial fulfillment of the vision that he gave to me. I, like Gideon, am not important and our numbers are even smaller than his, and in fact Gideon’s army was cut back in size by God after that to an even smaller number, because God wanted to show that it was him doing it – he wanted to get the glory. God has been doing that same kind of sifting process in TSA, in removing those who lack faith in what he has promised, so that those that are left are the ones he can use to take this land for Jesus. And, our numbers are so small and we are so insignificant, that it will be obvious that it is God doing it and not us.

I have been teaching a series on “Taking the Land,” based upon the events in the book of Joshua and paralleling them to the New Testament. Nonetheless, I did not realize until the evening of January 3, 2005, though, that it had been recorded in numerous documents that the fall of Jericho, the conquering of the Promised Land and Joshua leading the Israelites to the Promised Land were events foreshadowing End Times and God’s judgment on the earth and Jesus taking us to the Promised Land. I was reading up on Jericho, the conquest of Canaan, and was trying to find something to show me the time that took place between the fall of Jericho and the rest God gave them from war and their possessing and dividing up the land, but I could not find anything that gave me the time frame. My point was going to be to our young adults that even though we marched around our Jericho a month ago, that does not mean that God is going to immediately give us the land. The Israelites had to go in and take the land and they had to fight battles and it says in the Bible that it took a “long time.” I want them to understand that we have to show ourselves faithful to God in conquering the land for Jesus as God directs us prior to us getting to possess the land. But, in my preparation for this, God showed me so much more. God basically confirmed for me that what he had shown me a month ago was true and was from him and that our marching around our Jericho basically opened the way for his conquest, his judgment on the land, and that it will not end with Asia. Perhaps what took place in Asia is just a foreshadowing of what is going to take place in the USA in the near future, not a Tsunami, perhaps, but something of that magnitude or worse.

I believe God has shown me a lot that I don’t fully comprehend and that he is filling in the pieces to the puzzle a little bit at a time, but one thing I am most certain of is that he is coming soon, that we are entering the End Times, that his judgment is going to be poured out and is being poured out on the earth, that he is going to leave survivors and that there is going to be an exile and that we are to be getting people ready and getting supplies ready for a disaster in the USA far beyond anything we could possibly imagine. And, I believe that disaster is going to usher in the Tribulation period and the rise of the Antichrist to power. I don’t know with any certainty that this is going to happen in exactly two years, though I feel that is very possible, but I do know it is soon and we need to get the word out to as many as possible that they need to repent and believe the Good News. I remember watching a movie recently that was about the return of the Ice Age due to global warming. It had a lot of political statements in it, but one thing stood out to me. When the government finally accepted the prophecy concerning the destruction that was coming on the face of the earth and the reality that many lives would be lost, the advice that followed was “save as many as possible.” I think that is the advice God is giving us right now.

The Bible says we will not know the day or the hour of Christ’s return, but we will know when it is close at the door by the signs. Though God’s Word says that Jesus’ coming will be like a thief in the night for those who are not ready, it also says that it should not surprise us like a thief in the night, but that we should be expecting his return so much that we are looking to the sky expectantly. I believe the signs point to him coming soon! He wants us all to be ready and waiting for his return. Are you ready?

Sue Love

Director of Ministries

This Space Available Ministries

Rock Hill, SC 29732

Suelove@tsaonline.org

www.tsaonline.org


1,551 posted on 01/27/2005 10:49:59 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: JockoManning

Waves And Wind

Vicki Camp

The Lord has been reminding me this week of this 3 years past vision I received, and I've felt to re share this in the hope it will speak to some of you, also ..

Jesus calls to the people….. a vision portion received on 2-01-02

“…..He causes His wind to blow, and the waters flow.” - Ps. 114:18b

Some pre: A few days previous to receiving this vision I had seen portions of an interesting educational show on TV, re: "waves" (as in ocean waves).. their origins and their power, etc. I seldom 'sit down’ to watch TV, but this one got my attentions and I sat to watch as they spoke about the small ocean waves originating in Antarctica (South. Pole).

In the Pacific Ocean, the little waves then become great rolling ocean swells as driven along and growing of the "wind". As they move out and north they finally hit the beaches of Hawaii, California, Alaska and elsewhere as the beautiful crashing white capped surfs. (Which surfers of the warmer climes truly love). The program also pointed out the destruction of the coastlands that can occur, because of these great waves, showing in example, a town in Scotland (Atlantic ocean) where the surf is literally washing away parts of a town which sits on an ocean bluff there.

As sometimes happens between The Lord and I, HE was really stirring much of this information in me over the next few days, and then Friday as I was praying and communing with HIM, I was given a vision.... this is one portion of it:




“The voice of The Lord is over the waters; The God of Glory thunders; The Lord is over many waters….” – Ps. 29:3

I was shown Jesus standing at the South Pole. He was larger than normal height. His arms were outstretched and He was turning slowly ... and with mouth open, Jesus' was calling to the North in all directions, as HE slowly turned, pausing with brief stops at different compass 'points' of direction..

Besides the awe of seeing Jesus, what really startled of this vision I was blessed to receive, was that I was shown and perceived the Voice/Sound coming from Jesus' Mouth as powerful musical sound waves, going out as wind over the ocean surface. (I apologize, but this is the best I can describe with written words, what I saw & heard).

It was a powerful calling to the nations/peoples..

And Jesus was singing this !!

The musical notes of Jesus' song were very limited in range (if this is the correct musical term to use) but absolutely beautiful and powerful and compelling. As an uninterrupted continuous long music note of Voice/Calling.. .with no words. Actually, I could liken it (somewhat only) to shofar's I have heard blown, but Jesus' voice was much lovelier and stronger. For as I was seeing this, I could also hear HIS song, but only dimly yet ....

Although I did not see this part fully in this vision - that is, the results; I'm quite sure from my "waves" and "wind" pondering with my Lord, that the oceans were being stirred indeed by Jesus' Voice, ....as the sound flowed out in all directions; Great Holy Spirit Voice/Wind of Jesus' calling song as it was sent forth into the immediate air just above these waters...




I know that oceans or sea's can speak in biblical type, of the vast array of humanity, God's creation - human beings en' mass. As per the TV show, the ocean water waves of this vision would be picking up strength and growing/swelling from this 'Wind' of Jesus' calling, Voice, Song.

"The Lord your God in the midst, The mighty One, will save; He will rejoice over you with gladness, He will quiet you with His love, He will rejoice over you with singing." - Zeph. 3:17

I understand why this vision was Jesus standing at the South Pole in the one respect, in that this theme is what I had been pondering on with my Lord... but also, the placement of Antarctica would lend to Jesus' song building and pushing all waves to the north... or the 'sides of the north' ( Ps. 48:2)

I've now looked up just a few scriptures on waves, and they do not usually speak to nice calm events, but rather stirring and turmoil ...

I sense of this vision, that Jesus' song will touch us, His own.... and be carried on and out by us then.

"Sing to the Lord a new song, and his praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it; you coastlands and you inhabitants of them!." - Isa. 42:10

"And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with The Spirit, speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to The Lord. Giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ." ~ Eph. 5:18-2

I DO know one thing for sure after this vision/experience - HIS Voice and Calling going forth as song, and heard by me somewhat in this vision, is VERY LOVE and at the same time full of STRENGTH POWER, and .... His’ Song *will not* leave us sedentary!



" ...It shall be like the shaking of an olive tree, like the gleaning of grapes when the vintage is done. They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing; For the majesty of The Lord they shall cry aloud from the sea. Therefore glorify the Lord in the dawning light, The Name of the Lord God of Israel in the coastlands of the sea. From the ends of the earth we have heard songs;

"Glory to the righteous [One]!." " - Isa. 24:13b-16a

-v.c. ~ Bill and Vicki C., http://write-the-vision.net


1,552 posted on 01/27/2005 10:53:04 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: JockoManning

What Do I See?

Rick Schmidt

1. God of Jacob arising: This is the ability of God to work divine destiny through men determined to work out their spiritual mandate by carnal efforts. Men are seeing things of greater value than themselves and choosing to wrestle with God for the true blessing. It is a confrontation with our base nature and exposure to the purest purposes of the Father in this hour.



2. Hour of the Joseph’s anointing: This is not necessarily market place ministers so much as survivors of betrayal, abandonment, and rejection. They are remembering their dream and are anointed to minister reconciliation versus retribution in the greatest hour of the corporate anointing coming forth. These are tested men & women whose dreams of God’s greater purpose and glory are coming to pass even as they steward among the spiritual, economic, and political pharaohs of this hour. These Joseph’s are seeing the coming famine (exposure of spiritual destitution) and arising as master builders to create the vessels (hearts of men) that will be able to retain the bread of life and pour it out when all men’s hearts are failing them for lack. This is the cross over-ministry from the singular man model of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to the corporate model of the 12 tribes possessing the land. Joseph was the bridge model then and now. Egypt is more than a type of the world. It is a type of the worldly church that embraces truth for benefit then turns to enslave the very anointed channels of blessing.



3. Revival without mixture: Rapidly emerging are hungry, thirsty people willing to give and pay all to retain His presence. We have been seven years since the foretaste of revival in the 90’s. That move largely exposed our feeble ability to retain and steward the Glory of God. For those who have waited in the desert for the next move, many things have been burned away. These will be the ones crying as it were, as a voice from the wilderness with the second great prophetic unction of Elijah. This is the announcement of the coming Lion of the Tribe of Judah. It will be an hour of great confrontation and supernatural demonstration of authority in a manner not unlike Elijah’s earthly ministry.



This will not be an easy revival. Only passionate pursuit with hungering and thirsting after righteousness will yield results. Essentially lukewarm will not work anymore whether one knows they are or not. God is lifting the veil to expose the worthless from the precious. He will require Silver and Gold refined in the fire in order to move on. Where as in days past men have chosen to limit the wine to preserve their self-serving wineskins, this is the hour when the old will burst, with the wine seemingly lost. Our perception of loss is only to reveal that it is to God’s glory that He is fashioning new vessels from mud made when the spilled wine dropped to the dust.



4. Apostolic reformation: Announced and authenticated by the prophets, this is to immediately precede and then administrate the saint’s movement. This will be the ultimate ministry to displace the present overall structure of the church and usher in the identity of the overcoming bride of Christ.



The greatest evidence of the coming reformation is the plethora of wanna- be, mixed –motive, self –appointed, and sometimes false apostles that we presently have on the horizon. God is establishing the co-dependent role of Apostles and Prophets to establish a more sure foundation for the church. Prophets will usher in the picture that God has for the fabric of the church. When the Apostles see it, they will arise in their function and produce the horizontal establishment of the vertical vision. Servant kings will choose to remain in relationship with and influenced by Godly prophets who assist them with not hiding from their own flesh. Even now, many are in the Cave of Adullam. The army of God’s nameless, faceless servants is about to break forth with incredible intensity and fervor. This will be nothing less than taking back the kingdom so that the Lord can come once again among his people to empower and authorize each and every one in the role and position granted to them by the victory on Calvary’s cross. This is the royal priesthood of the believers.



5. Judgment and repentance about America’s stewardship. The critical message from 91101 is that the hand of the Lord was removed to allow such an event. Fulfilling our role to the nations will stave off the judgment coming to our shores and produce the eternal rewards destined for our country. We are the greatest nation and great givers by comparison to other nations. But, in comparison to our own greatness, call, and destiny, our efforts are paltry and need improvement. We will either choose quickly to discount the value of our abundance to ourselves, or we will loose it all together or worse, continue to loose it more and more to aliens in our land.

For comments and feedback please write

ricks@treefeeders.com


1,553 posted on 01/27/2005 10:55:36 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: JockoManning

Word Of The Lord 2005

Miles Ford

http://www.carpenterstouch.org/index.html

And the hand of the Lord shall do mighty things as I walk through the land in this season. For the work is great and that which I will establish, I will quickly establish. For I have sent forth angels even sent from my presence that all my counsel and my purpose may be set in place.

And I shall develop and I shall build and I shall train my army and I shall set forth men and women, both, that shall not look to the left nor the right, but they shall be focused on the task at hand.

For my work and the work of the kingdom which must be accomplished shall be accomplished. I will let all men know and see that the very hand of the Lord is moving in this season.



That which the enemy has robbed, that which the enemy has stolen I shall restore in this month of January says the Lord. For I will not leave my sons or my daughters without a witness.



Their light shall shine forth in this day and there shall be a mighty cleansing and my compassion shall go forth in the land and many shall turn to me and I will work a work of the heart says the Lord. I shall change the hearts of men. And they shall turn towards me by the multitudes says the Lord.



For I am raising up even out of the camp of the Lord, those that will march forward and do battle in my name. And they shall not be ashamed says God. But I will establish their goings and I will go before them and I will make the crooked places straight for them and I shall make rough places smooth and the high places shall be brought low and the valleys shall be exalted in this season says the Lord.



Look up, look up my sons, look up my daughters. For I will do great things and I come quickly and you shall see many signs and wonders, for I come quickly.



I shall bring my people into a new place. Even a place, that they have not been before and they shall worship me from that place. For as I have spoken so shall I bring it to pass and the Words from my mouth shall not be hindered.



I will place in the hand of my key ones even the plan which comes from heaven. And I shall release strategies, in this month and plans that will cause there to be a great shaking and a great awakening amongst my people.



So I say my sons and my daughters. Go forth, conquer, build, develop, work. There shall be many that shall come forth in this month of January, to be released.



I say unto my children release them and move forward. For all I have planned for you and all that I have ordained for you, eyes have not discovered.



I will reveal my secrets unto my servants the prophets. And I will raise up a prophetic voice and I will raise up a prophetic flow, even a prophetic move that shall not be hindered and can not be stopped.



And I will bless and pour out blessings and I will change the raiment, and those who have come out shall move into position and they shall go in to possess the land that I have ordained.



And so I say unto you, look up, look up, for the life that I release in this month of January comes from above. Look up for the life which I impart is imparted from your God.



In this month I shall erase your debt and many shall have their debt paid, for I will provide abundance and I will provide an overflow and as you shall seek me I shall prosper you says the Spirit of God and I will reveal to you secrets even the secrets to my wealth says the Lord.



And there shall arise challenges from the west and out of the west shall come clamor and out of the west shall come a boisterous voice against the children of God but I shall cause it to be silenced and I shall galvanize my people even in that region and they shall stand united and they shall stand as one says the Spirit of God.



For as the stream begins to flow and is dried by the heat of the sun so shall I dry up the flow of all of those that shall stand against my people. And I walk in their midst to establish them in that hour and my hand will reach forth, and I will rearrange political leadership and I will change even the complexion of cities in that region says the Lord.



For I have set forth my hand and I will visit that land even the land of New Mexico, California and Nevada in the days ahead says the Lord. And I will cause there to be a stirring and a moving upon my people like they have not seen and there shall be a buzz concerning the things of God. There shall be an excitement as they prepare themselves for the harvest that I will release.



And so yes there will be challenges coming from the west but I say unto you, hold fast, stand your ground for the harvest of the Lord shall come quickly and shall be sure.



For in this month I shall release a new anointing upon many and crowns shall be released over them. There shall be a set of parameters that I will establish with my people and the voice of my leaders and those that I have raised up shall cry forth and one shall cry in one place and in another place another shall cry and his words shall be exactly as the words cried by the one.

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1,554 posted on 01/27/2005 10:57:41 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: JockoManning

Wounded Or Corrected?

Sandy Warner

Jan 17, 2005

There are times when you bare your soul before men that you receive backlash. Accusation, misunderstanding and judgment leaves you feeling naked and shot. Worse yet, in your wounded state, it leaves you feeling like a bad person. This erodes and seeps down into your soul to further your decay of failure into self rejection. Precious One, listen to ME. This is not My good gift.

Yes, I feed tenderhearted correction into your life as you need it. Yes, I use circumstances to form you into My image. And, yes, I bring everything into your life and turn it for good. But do not think that I AM judging you, stripping you naked and shooting you over your failures. I AM not rejecting you, dear one, and neither do I ever point a finger to condemn you. I weep with you as you mourn over your mistakes, I weep even before you know you make them.

My beloved child, would I severely discipline a child who earnestly wants to please Me and seek My way? I AM only stern to the rebellious who defiantly turn from My loving and gracious heart. I AM full of compassion over you who fall and tremble at My Word. And how it moves My heart to wild rejoicing as I see you willing to stand up and try again! How proud of you I AM, dear one, to see you keep on keeping on. Now, let My love wash and cover you. You are not naked, you are clothed in My forgiving and pure white garment of righteousness.

NIV Romans 10:4

Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.



Words to Ponder are summaries of prophetic revelation,

punched with the word of wisdom and written under inspiration.

Sandy Warner : swauthor@usa.net ~ Website: www.thequickenedword.com

~ Permission given to forward or post. ~



What Goes Around Comes Around

Sandy Warner





Jan 19, 2005

Plant a seed and reap a harvest. Always know that My mercy covers you when you continually humble yourself and seek Me concerning your failures of flesh. If My people were to truly reap the crop of what their flesh has planted, no one would be able to endure it, let alone you.



So trust Me, dear heart. I may grant you a small portion of reaping in order to help you break free from a continual fleshly pattern that has been stuck in the rut. Sometimes this has to be a learning process through experience. You may know the right way, but until you live it, you remain blind and only fool yourself. There are times when I allow you to stay blind and walk through a painful experience, just for that climaxing moment of revelation. It is that moment when suddenly you see the way you were treated are the seeds you, yourself. have planted in your flesh. When the blinders are taken from your eyes and the moment of revelation impacts you, it is in that place of learning that you will be able to stay committed to resist your flesh and make a different decision to stay out of the rut.



Gal 6:7-10 NKJV

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.



Words to Ponder are summaries of prophetic revelation,

punched with the word of wisdom and written under inspiration.

Sandy Warner : swauthor@usa.net ~ Website: www.thequickenedword.com

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Teach Me To Pray

Sandy Warner





Jan 23, 2005



Oh Lord, when I give You little time,

Tell me, how can I expect Your prime?

Yet waiting to listen from afar,

Faithful as always, yes, there You are.



My life blurs before me in a hurry.

How can I pray when I am unworthy?

That is just the point that You try to say.

It's not what I deserve, it's what I pray.



You long to give me the desires of my heart.

Yet wounded from delay I'm unable to start.

I've learned to cope with a limp in my walk.

I've learned to withhold my heart from deep talk.



Teach me to pray and to become really real.

You said to believe and I'd have what I will.

So please still remind me always to ask.

As I learn to lean and take off my mask.



You said to confess to one another,

Our weakness, our need, to our brother.

The prayers of the righteous do avail much.

Teach me to receive their gracious touch.



Draw to the surface what needs to discuss.

Lance all the wounds and draw out the puss.

It hurts, this I know, to be real and raw

But that is grace, the other side of law.



Oh to be free to tell it like it is!

This is not a test, this is not a quiz.

It's just simple sharing what I need most,

And then You dispatch Your glorious host.



Either from my requests or from my brother.

You hear it all as we tell one another.

Thank You, dear Lord, as You teach me to pray.

As I lean and unveil my heart this day.



James 5:16 TLB

Admit your faults to one another and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The earnest prayer of a righteous man has great power and wonderful results.



Poetry2Ponder are poems birthed out of intimacy with the Holy Spirit

through yearnings of intercession. They are posted once a week.

Sandy Warner : swauthor@usa.net ~ Website:

www.thequickenedword.com

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1,555 posted on 01/27/2005 11:00:21 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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Explosive Change

Susan Cummings

Tonight, the Lord began to speak to me in my dreams. I began to have a series of dreams and within them, He showed me two scenes. In each scene, there was a scenario, a choice, and an explosion. By the time the second explosion came, I was jerked awake, as I realized that I wasn’t just dreaming, but the Lord was speaking.


I then heard the Lord loudly speak these words:

Explosive Change


There will now be instant, irreversible, absolute change

Even good intentions must give way to Me

No more standing in self made plans

All things will now fall away as I pass over the lands


All human reasoning’s

All self motivated plans

All need oriented solutions

All flesh inspired visions

All will now bow to Me

For I AM now passing over thee


What will you give unto Me?

What offering will I see laid before Me?

What treasures have you laid up for Me?

All will come under My scrutiny

All that remains will be what is Holy unto Me

For the cries upon the earth now so great

I have come down among men to see all that awaits

As the Earth now shakes under My Weight

Behold!


The days of men are marked and set

And My Word has birthed and now begets

From the Beginning I AM have created

My Living Force issuing forth as I stated

Laying out the expanse of Time

Building a home for this creation of Mine

Walking amongst men down through the Ages

Laying down My Life for the fallen races

Preparing the way for My Explosive Changes

Balancing the scales and paying each man his due wages

For the weight of sin will no longer have dominion over men

Who have cried out to Me from their chains and dens

And who wholly embraced My Fiery Judgments in their flesh

Now will see My Grace as I lift up, and break forth

The rest will see what their works are worth

As this new hour has fully birthed

And I inhabit the realm of Time

To bring fully forth the devils demise

All has been spoken

All will be finished

The Righteous will stand

The wicked will perish

As the final seals are opened

And the waiting seven thunders now explode

All will release the final hidden decrees

Culminating the Beginning upon the lands and the seas

Every eye will see

And every man will choose and bend their knees

As the Truth unfolds and I AM now seen

For even Time gives way to Eternity

What will you do as I explode on the scene?

-Susan Cummings

1-11-05

5:05 am

http://groups.msn.com/CummingsFamilyAdventures

http://topica.com/lists/JustHisWords

Note:

-This word began to be written down at 5:05 am and ended at 5:50 am

- Double 5’s= Double Grace for those who seek the Father’s Face

There were 2 scenes

There were 2 choices

There were 2 explosions

When I was finished writing this last thought, my daughter’s buzzer sounded its morning alarm.

It’s wake up time…..in more ways than one.

For all men, there are choices, only two.

-Susan


1,556 posted on 01/27/2005 11:05:02 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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Holy Rich and Pure Love

Mary Clark

December 27, 2004

The Father wants to draw us closer – closer than we have ever thought of being. He is now wooing us gently, but soon He will be wooing us hurriedly. Time is wasting. Time is of the essence. Rejoice! Be glad! Sing praises to His name, for He is taking us to a new place in Him.

Hold steadfast to this truth: The Beloved is singing songs of deliverance over us. He is singing them for a reason. He wants to deliver us out of the enemy’s hand, and into His most pronounced grace. Get ready! Adjust your seatbelt, for once He speaks the words, we will be out of here and into a place of His love divine. Get ready! He is about to bestow His goodness on us, lavishing us with His rich glory. Think of butter – rich and smooth – as it seeks a lower level. That is what you must think of in order to get a picture of the Beloved’s plan of rich endowment that He is sending forth.

Oh! Look and see the wonders of the living God as they manifest in your life. Look, beloved! Behold the Lamb in all of His finery as He comes, exhibiting to one and all the goodness that He has in His heart. He is a good God, through and through. He is a wonderful God. Acknowledge Him. Acknowledge the living God! Acknowledge Him now! He is doing a fine work of producing within every willing heart a wonderful sense of well-being. Rediscover your youth. Rediscover how it feels to abide in your mother’s womb, safe and secure.

Our Beloved speaks:

“I am taking you to a place sweet with My presence. I am locking you in a place close to My heart, and, beloved, once you realize the fullness of these most profound words you will never go back to the world’s ways. Oh, no! You will never go back to the ways of the world. You will be locked soundly in my embrace, producing within and without a steadfast love for every season – every season will bear My imprint – My imprint of love, as it manifests in your life – holy, rich and pure!!!”

Fair Warning

Mary Clark

December 26, 2004

In a vision, I saw a man hunkered down beside two large, gray boulders. He was wearing a green kerchief tied close to his skull, and he had a spear poised in his hand. Why did You show this to me, Lord? Who is this man?

This man was one who delights in exploiting My children. He is always looking to see when the time is “right” to throw his spear. Let Me tell you something more about him:

He is moving into your territory. He is eager to cause an upheaval. He is eager to see some of My children falter. But those who are looking to Me, and relying on My goodness to them, will dodge his spears. They will not walk in the path to which he is luring them – a path that would put you in harm’s way.

I want you to know something, beloved: He has disguised himself with the knowledge of My word. He quotes My word as if it is a part of him. But listen closely. He speaks only words that will build himself up. He never points to the Almighty God. He speaks only words that build him up in the eyes of “his public.”

Now, I tell you – I tell you truly, you will recognize him by the slant of his words. You will recognize him by the words that he speaks that declare “his greatness.” He will shine light on himself, trying to get My children to veer off My selected path for them. He will take delight in his luring. He will take delight in stabbing you with his spear, so don’t succumb to his enticing words. Stay focused on your God. Stay focused on My truth, for it will shine through as the light of day, and you will declare that you have never heard anything finer than the words of the living God.

The enemy is out to dupe you. He is out to stab you with his spears – his lies. Don’t listen. He is distorting My truth. He is giving it his own slant. He is also taking the knowledge of My truth and spreading it with a good dose of fear. He always delights in putting fear in the hearts of those who serve Me. Pay him no mind. Give him no attention. Turn from him and draw close to Me. In time, you will notice something important. You will notice that your Almighty God has seen fit to upset the enemy’s plans and has turned the tables on him. You will notice that the Almighty God is esteeming those who have chosen to walk after Him, declaring His truth with a vengeance.

I am the One True God. I hold secure the destiny of those who delight in Me. The enemy would like to pick you off, one by one. He would like to see you falter and fall away from My design for you. Pay him no attention. Don’t listen to his slant on things. It is sadly distorted. Stay in My word. Rely on My words of truth and follow after My heart. That, beloved, is where the benefits of service to Me pay off in full. That is where I want you – safe and secure.

So take delight in knowing that the Almighty God has spoken His words in your ears in order to warn you of the devil’s devices. Rely on Me for total deliverance as you keep your eyes fixed on Me. Rely on the rich quality of My words to scoop you up and place you in the wonder that I have for you.

I am moving those who will follow after My heart out of harm’s way. The enemy is trying to use scare tactics on you. Pay him no attention. Keep focused on your Beloved, and you will know true freedom and success in your walk.

If you look to him, giving him as much as a glance, he will try to nab you. He will try to pin you with his spear. Be on the alert. Stay focused. I am giving you fair warning: STAY FOCUSED! STAY FOCUSED ON THE BELOVED!!!

The Lord’s Specialty

Mary Clark

My children are coming into a new era, and that is for sure! I want you to know that I am not only fortifying you within, I am fortifying you without. Just what does this mean? I will tell you: I am conditioning you with My loving presence in a way that you have never before known. I am giving you My protection in a way that you will not see, but you will feel deep within. I am saturating you with all that I am. I am giving you a liberal dose of My loving presence coupled with My strengthening protection. What more could you want? What more could you ask for? I will tell you: You could ask for a signal as to when this is going to be done. You could ask Me to make Myself known to you in a way that will trigger that something within, enabling you to rise up to any occasion with the knowledge of who you are in Me. Well, beloved, you may ask for that, too. How about it? Would that be something that you would care to obtain from your loving Father? It is? Well then, you shall have it also.

And let Me tell you this too, child of the living God. The day is coming when you will see new things, hear secrets of old, and rise to a level of new understanding of who you are and where the living God is taking you. “Oh, my,” you say. “Father, that is far than we could even think to ask!” Beloved, beloved, so much is on the way for you, My beloved church, that you would tremble if I told you everything.

So much! So get your heart ready to receive, and know, dear beloved child, that your God is about to perform His specialty, and it is on the house. Any who would like to receive may receive. Any who would like to be in on this happy occasion are welcome to attend. Any who want to thank Me now should know that I am receiving praise at this moment. So get ready NOW to shout praises to the great King for all that He is bringing forth, and know deep within your heart that He is fortifying you with more of Him. And beloved, that is certainly a tall order – a very TALL order that I plan to fill!!!

Mary Clark

"Listening Ears"

barnabessie@earthlink.net

The Bread of Life

Mary Clark

I want My children to know something of vast importance. I am the Bread of life. I am calling all who will come to partake of My goodness. I want no one left out. I want all filled to capacity with My goodness.

The day is coming when those who walk in the knowledge of Who I am will stand in a new arena. They will be excited about this arena. They will be so delighted with this arena that they will feel as though their hearts will burst. I want to fill you with Myself, beloved – revitalize you. I want you to know Me personally. I want us to commune one-on-one. I want you in right relationship with Me to a greater degree than you have never realized.

I am eager for all to come and partake of the Bread of life. I want to fill you with more of Myself. I want you knowing My goodness from a personal perspective. I want nothing about Me to seem foreign to you. I want us united with one purpose. I want you to set your goal to follow after Me and see the exuberant quality of life that it will afford you.

Come! Feed on the Bread of life, and know His goodness. Know the wonder that lies in that goodness. Know that certain revitalization of heart for which you yearn. For just as surely as I have called you into a new place of rich discovery, I have provided for your well-being. Nothing will stop the flow of My goodness in your direction. Nothing will EVER stop the wonder in arriving to this new place – this new in-filling – that I have for all who will partake.

I am the Bread of life. True life is found in knowing and being one with Me. Communing with Me one-on-one will be a delight to every heart. So come, beloved. Partake. Enjoy all that I am offering, and know deep within that you have been selected to walk in a certain knowledge of the wonder – the great, great wonder– that is to be had – in following after the Beloved, being a partaker of His goodness, and walking in the certain knowledge that this special unity in Me can bring to your willing and exuberant heart!!!

Mary Clark

barnabessie@earthlink.net


1,557 posted on 01/27/2005 11:09:10 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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Know How To Judge Properly

Stephen Hanson

Jan. 14, 2005

(While using Old Test. examples below, please understand that the criteria for judging a prophet or words, is found in Dt. 18 and in other Old Test. scriptures. We now judge these things according to New Test. standards as found in various places within the epistles. These scriptures are not exhaustive, but serve as a point of reference.)

ISA 38:1 In those days Hezekiah became ill and was at the point of death. The prophet Isaiah son of Amoz went to him and said, "This is what the LORD says: Put your house in order, because you are going to die; you will not recover."



ISA 38:2 Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the LORD, [3] "Remember, O LORD, how I have walked before you faithfully and with wholehearted devotion and have done what is good in your eyes." And Hezekiah wept bitterly.

ISA 38:4 Then the word of the LORD came to Isaiah: [5] "Go and tell Hezekiah, `This is what the LORD, the God of your father David, says: I have heard your prayer and seen your tears; I will add fifteen years to your life. [6] And I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria. I will defend this city.

DT 18:17 The LORD said to me: "What they say is good. [18] I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. [19] If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. [20] But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death." (Old Test. criteria)

1TH 5:19 Do not put out the Spirit's fire; [20] do not treat prophecies with contempt. [21] Test everything. Hold on to the good. [22] Avoid every kind of evil. (New Test. criteria)

"I tell you that there are many questions in the prophetic. There are many who adhere to Old Testament principles when judging New Testament prophecies. I tell you that there are many who follow a man rather than my spirit. Some judge the person rather than the message. I have shown you plainly in scripture that prophecy can be conditional. As examples, look to Nathan the prophet, Isaiah, and Jonah. Examine these things through scripture and then you will know how to judge properly. No one is perfect, but only myself, and yet you expect my servants to be without flaw. Beware of these things for they will pierce your hearts. Do not continue to be babes in your thinking. I will bring all things to light and those things that have been hidden in darkness will come forth. "

Stephen Hanson

HCR 79 Box 3081

Cuba, NM 87013

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A Wise Person Prepares For Winter

Stephen Hanson

A Wise Person Prepares For Winter-"Be Ready For That Hour Of Trial"

[10] Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

Rev. 3:10

[23] Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. [24] And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.

2 Tim. 2:23

[6] In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. [7] These have come so that your faith--of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire--may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.

I Peter 1:5

"The mountains will quake and the rivers will run dry. There is a time coming when those who are here on the earth will be having a time of great testing and tribulation. You do not know the day or the hour. You do not know the dates. It is not important to know but it is important to know that you will be taken care of. It is important to know that in the coming years you must prepare for that time. It is true that I will save my church from the great trial that is coming upon the earth. It is still important to note however, that you will not be delivered "out" of it, but that you will be delivered "through" it. "

"What do you think that the purpose is of going through the trials that you have been going through now? I tell you surely, that they have come partly to prepare you for that time. You have gone through all types of trials and testings at this time. Some of it has been to perfect your faith. Some of it has been to purge the dross from you. Most of it has been for these things. But I want you to be ready for that hour and that time. A wise person prepares for Winter. A wise person prepares for difficult times. But I'm also not asking you to have fear in your hearts about these things. Consider the churches that were mentioned in Revelation. Remember that some were not ready and they could not endure. To them that could endure, they were kept safe from that time of trial. That is all that I need to say at this moment. I do not want my church to be splitting hairs about theological issues. Some say that I AM coming for my church at this time, while others say, "No, it will be later." Just be ready and know that much of this now is in preparation for that time. "

"To those who are like the church of Philadelphia, endure as a faithful soldier. Be ready, in season and out of season. Know that these trials are preparing you for that time. Know that I will not take you "out" of that time, but "through it." Be ready, I say, and do not fear. And do not get caught-up in senseless arguments about when these things will happen. But also do not delude yourselves about thinking that you will be taken out of everything that is coming upon this earth. "

Stephen Hanson

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Doctrine And Unity

David Miller





I often feel as if I am being squeezed between two sets of friends. On the one hand, I have theological friends. They value truth, biblical doctrine -- the meat of God's Word. In a world sowed with Satan's lies, God's Word is our arbiter of truth. It is an anchor that holds us steady, a rudder to guide us, a lamp to light the way. If we abandon the deep things of God's Word, we will be easily fooled and led astray by the enemy's deception. When the pulpit proclaims the deep things of God's Word and the people are firmly grounded in His truth, Christians will grow strong, discern truth from error, and will understand God's will. For the church to function properly, they say, it must maintain doctrinal purity. And I agree with them!



I have other friends for whom the highest value is the unity of the body of Christ. Jesus died to redeem one body, they say, not many. On the night before he died, Jesus prayed that his disciples would be one. Schism in the body of Christ grieves the heart of God and is a personal affront to the blood Christ shed for the church. Besides, they point out, many of the doctrines we divide over really don't matter that much. Why should the church be fractured over petty doctrinal differences? God wants a unified church. And I agree with them!



And that is why I am torn. I love to study God's word in depth and teach it expositionally. I think Christians without a firm grounding in scriptures are swimming in shark infested waters. It is folly to reject doctrine in a world of lies. I am amazed at the persistent unwillingness among some to exercise biblical, doctrinal discernment. But I also see, among us "doctrinal" folks, a sometimes petty, critical nature. Some drop the h-bomb (heretic) on anyone who does not agree with any point of their cherished creed or doctrinal system. There is a superiority of attitude among us, the kind of schismatic behavior that Paul condemned in 1 Corinthians 11.



I would like to propose a middle ground, one that cherishes doctrine without disdaining unity in the body of Christ. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15, identified the facts of the gospel (the death and resurrection of Christ) as "of first importance." Does not that imply that there are other doctrines that are of second importance? They are important, but not as important as salvation. Is my view of baptism, or the second coming, or of church polity, as important as whether I hold a biblical view of salvation? Can we maintain doctrinal purity without fracturing the unity of the body Christ died for? I believe we can.



Four Levels of Doctrine



I propose that there are four general levels of doctrinal truth. For each level, there is an appropriate "unity response" -- a way of dealing with those who would disagree. It is important that we understand each level and respond appropriately.



Level One: Brick Wall Doctrine

There is some truth around which we must construct a brick wall of separation and protection. Jude 3 says, "Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints." There is some doctrine which we must contend for, even to the point of separation. God's word is a sword, and swords divide. There are some doctrines that all must believe. If you do not believe them, you have denied the faith. There can be no unity in the body of Christ with those whose doctrines threaten the very existence of that body.



Some Christians are unwilling to admit that this level of truth even exists. But doctrines of first importance must be contended for in uncompromising measure. What are those doctrines? I would use 1 Corinthians 15 as a guide. Paul identifies the facts of the death and resurrection of Christ as of first importance. So, "Brick Wall" doctrine is that truth which is essential to the gospel of Christ. If you question the authority of God's Word, the foundation of the gospel crumbles. Salvation is grounded in a biblical view of a sovereign, triune God. There is no compromise on these doctrines. Salvation by grace through faith alone -- the exclusivity of salvation through Christ -- is essential doctrine. The fact of Christ's return to judge the world is necessary. Around these doctrines we must erect a brick wall -- tall and thick. Those who deny these truths are not brothers in Christ. They are wolves among the sheep. We do not fellowship with them, we contend with them.



Level Two: Picket Fence Doctrine

A picket fence is a friendly way of separating neighbors. It is not a brick wall that divides, it just establishes boundaries. You chat over the fence, have picnics together, watch over each other's homes and value the neighborhood you share. Around many doctrines we do not need a brick wall, but a simple picket fence.



Imagine if there was only one church in your city. How (and who) would you baptize? What form of church government would you use? Would you practice tongues or not? Instead of fighting over these issues, we form a "Christian neighborhood." Around the neighborhood is the brick wall of protection. Inside the neighborhood we have picket fences. We chat over the fence, fellowship together, watch over and bless each other and value our unity in Christ.



Yet, we keep the picket fence. We Baptists can baptize believers, have deacons and vote on everything. The Presbyterians can sprinkle babies. The Bible churches can have elders. The charismatics can speak in tongues and prophesy. The Methodists can methodize. We can all follow our convictions on our side of the picket fence. We try to be good neighbors, have as much fellowship as we can, then go back to our homes to follow Christ according to our beliefs.



There is a church less than a quarter mile from us. There are few doctrines (other than the basics of salvation) on which we would agree. Recently, they wanted to baptize some new Christians, but their building has no baptistery. We opened our doors and filled the tub. Neither of us compromised our doctrine, but we opened the gate in our picket fence, and had the neighbors over for a visit.



So, what doctrines are Picket Fence Doctrines? First would be beliefs about church structure and polity. Infant or believer's baptism? Deacons, Elders, ruling pastors? Congregational rule, elder rule, hierarchical rule? Why fight these doctrines? I am Baptist by birth, but also by conviction. I believe the Bible teaches baptism by immersion of believers. But I don't have to hate those who sprinkle babies. I can open the scriptures and show them what I see there, but until Christ comes again, we are going to have differences of interpretation in the Christian neighborhood.



It is considered a truism that denominations are divisive and evil. I disagree. As long as they are only picket fences in the Christian neighborhood, they allow us to practice our beliefs without having to fight every issue. It is when we erect brick walls of separation around our denominational differences that the problem comes. But the picket fences allow us to maintain friendship while following our individual convictions.



Some major doctrines that may require picket fences: Calvinists and Arminians view so many things differently. The question of God's sovereignty in salvation has been the watershed doctrine that has divided the church. Though I am opposed to Arminian doctrine, I know many who hold those views and have a passion for Christ equal or greater than my own. So what do we do? We stand at the picket fence and lovingly try to convince one another of our position. When the discussion is over, we shake hands and return to our homes where we worship with the folks who believe as we do.



It is not that these doctrines do not matter. They are crucial. But I must, in humility, recognize that it is possible for someone to be a good Christian who loves Jesus and still comes to a different position than I do on these issues. If someone preaches universalism, I erect a brick wall. No fellowship. There can be no unity with wolves. But if someone disagrees with me on election or predestination, we maintain a friendship over the picket fence.



So, the Christian neighborhood is surrounded by a brick wall that protects us from the wolves, the spiritual predators. Inside that wall, we live in unity. Each of us has our own home, separated by picket fences, but we work hard to build a unified community inside the brick wall. I may not worship at First Assembly, or River of Life, or New Covenant, or Calvary Baptist, but I can still recognize them as my Christian neighbors.



Level Three: Backyard Doctrine

Even if you live in the same home, you don't always agree about everything. You sit on your deck in the backyard and talk about all kinds of things. Every doctrine of scripture is important. It is important to figure out how the world will end. We can debate the North and South Galatian theories and who wrote the book of Hebrews. We may sit in the backyard and talk about these things, but they do not affect our fellowship and we should never divide over them. Not even a picket fence is needed.



The most obvious example of backyard doctrine is eschatology. Our church has dispensational premillennial pretribulationists (wow -- that's a mouthful), premillennial posttribulationists, and Amillennialists. Who knows, maybe there is a postmillennialist hiding behind a pew somewhere. I think this doctrine matters. Every Christian should study scripture and decide what he believes. But I can see no reason why eschatology should be a point of fellowship.



If a doctrine affects salvation, erect a brick wall. If it affects the fellowship or functioning of the church, erect a friendly picket fence. But if the doctrine affects neither, then sit in the backyard talking about it, but never let it become a point of division.



Level Four: Closet Doctrine

A closet is a place of privacy. Some things I believe, I should just keep to myself. I should follow the Lordship of Christ and permit other Christians to do the same. In the early church, the question was whether a Christian should eat meat sacrificed to an idol. Paul told the Romans and Corinthians that each of us can follow our own conscience under Christ, and keep our opinions to ourselves. In 1 Corinthians 8 through 10, and in Romans 14 and 15, Paul spent a long time explaining this principle of personal freedom to his churches.



For us, the issues are observing the Sabbath (or what day to observe it), or taking a glass of wine, or going to the movies, or dietary preferences, or…the list is long. Paul commands that those who say no on disputable issues should not condemn those who say yes and those who say yes should not disdain those who say no. Each of us seeks to be obedient to Christ on these matters and allows others to do the same. We also should be willing to limit our freedom to be a blessing to others.



Three Final Considerations



First, each of us must study the Word of God and try to assign each doctrine to its proper category. We will not always agree where doctrines fit, but with the Spirit's guidance, we can uphold doctrine without sacrificing unity. Here are the questions I would ask. Is this doctrine essential to the salvation offered by God in Christ? If it is, then erect a brick wall around it. Is this doctrine essential to the fellowship or functioning of our church? If so, then erect a picket fence is needed. If the doctrine affects neither salvation nor fellowship, no fence is needed at all.



Second, great damage is done to the purity of the church when doctrines are moved to lower levels than they deserve. If we compromise fundamental doctrine for the "unity of the church" we endanger the very nature of the church. We cannot treat important doctrines like matters of personal conscience. If we do, we sin against the Lord who bought us.



Third, great damage is done to the unity of the body when doctrines are moved to a higher level than they deserve. I saw a bumper sticker recently: "If it ain't King James, it ain't Bible." Here is someone who is making the choice of a Bible version a test of faith. Something that should be left to category 3 or 4 is being moved up to category 1. That fractures the body of Christ. I should not question someone's Christian commitment because they believe the church will go through the tribulation or because they speak in tongues or baptize infants. I cannot treat these issues as if they were in category 1. If I do, I offend the blood of Christ that was shed to redeem One Body.



Some issues, I should keep to myself and allow you to do the same. Around other issues, I erect a picket fence. We can have deep friendships in the Christian neighborhood, even if we maintain separate homes. Around certain issues, I must erect a brick wall. Luther said, "Here I stand, I can do no other." There are doctrines worth contending for.



Lord, help us to always know which truth fits in which category, so that the Christian neighborhood can be protected from its enemies and still experience the unity you desire.


1,560 posted on 02/11/2005 2:49:40 AM PST by JockoManning (www.biblegateway.com)
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