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To: sionnsar

20 some odd years ago, our new priest moved the altar from the back wall forward so he and the others at the altar could celebrate the mass facing the members.

We had a couple of wing nuts who went bonkers, called him a heretic/pagan and eventually quit the church over that.

So we need to be careful today not to paint someone as a pagan without specifics.


4 posted on 10/30/2004 8:55:16 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will ABCNNBCBS & the MSM fishwraps stop Rathering to America? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: Grampa Dave

You're right. I had planned to put "alleged" in the title, but forgot until it was too late.


5 posted on 10/30/2004 9:21:14 AM PDT by sionnsar (NYT/Cbs: "It's fake but true!" | Iran Azadi | Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: Grampa Dave

Ummm.......with all due respect, nobody is putting a carrot on their noese and yelling that they are witches, ala Monty Python.

If you read similar threads to this, you will find all too real links to pagan/wiccan/druid websites, with evidence that the Melnycks have and do actively participate in such rituals within such groups. Also that they write, and lecture on the same.

Someone who regulalrly goes to Finhorn Bay, and Stonehenge for Druidic ceremonies, is not just going there to tour the pubs!


16 posted on 10/30/2004 5:59:32 PM PDT by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux! St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Sorry, Grampa, this isn't even in the same ballpark. The old chestnut about altar placement is an issue of "churchmanship." It's not a salvation issue. There is nothing in Holy Writ that prescribes altar placement in a Christian church. There is, however, abundant Scripture (OT and NT) about worshipping other gods and conducting pagan ceremonies - and how God deals with such abominations. Having read the dozens of reports on these "Episcopagans" from various resources and having followed all the links and leads - I'd say more than sufficient "specifics" exist so that reasonable people can conclude that these two individuals need to be defrocked (no pun intended) and excommunicated from the Episcopal Church. When is the rest of the Christian world going to get a belly full of the black eye that the ECUSA is giving our faith and our God? Spit these people out and "be not yoked with unbelievers."


19 posted on 11/01/2004 12:08:09 AM PST by torqemada ("Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!")
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