Posted on 10/22/2004 8:11:53 AM PDT by missyme
Of course. It's far less civil on our side, however. You can see some of that stuff right here on FR.
Charlie Ponzi wasn't an Orthodox Jew...
The same way that SO many challenged the Davinci Code. A work of pure fiction, but everyone started attacking it as though it was an actual fact.
D-spensationalists challenged by D-nialists.
As a believer in in plenary, verbal inspiration, and in the perspicacity of Scripture, I'll take the former, anytime.
Dan
..........D-spensationalists challenged by D-nialists............
:-)
The book was written to 1st century Christians about 1st century events. The first verse of the book affirms that the events of the book were shortly to come to pass. To take the dispensational view is to rob the book of significance to the people it was addressed to.
Agreed this type of book is plain ol" wrong to try and confuse Chrisitians about the entire Book of Revelation"
I do not hold with preterism, or with its early dating of the book of revelation.
If it was all fulfilled with John, and Polycarp was John's disciple, and Ireneaus was Polycarp's disciple, why is there any discussion at all over the meaning of the book?
Wouldn't they have passed it on? Why was Irenaeus writing years later a piece about trying to figure out who the coming antichrist would be?
More fundamentally, if it was all fulfilled, then language means nothing, and we should toss our Bibles away or yield them up to the new Magisterium.
Dan
I agree with you, of course.
But, it makes one scratch his head to read Irenaeus talking about trying to figure out who the coming antichrist will be.
Why do that if it was already fulfilled and passed on by John?
I find it to be a devastating critique of the early dating of Revelation.
SAY WHUT?
How about some context, please?
And a suggestion at least TOWARD a point I'm supposed to ponder?
Weighty isolated topics on invisible skyhooks are hard to wrap a response around.
Either my mind is elsewhere and not multitasking well today or these are very arcane and obscure points of dubious import.
What exactly of any remotely lasting substance is there in all this which you would like some response to?
Hannegraaff has been storing up some reaping from his sowing for a long time. I pray his Salvation survives the discipline headed his way.
He's a Calvinist pastor. Give him a break.
Besides, it's readable enough. And their speculations are as valid as a lot of others.
AT LEAST, GOD SEEMS TO HAVE USED the series to get key ideas before the hurting world such that when such events transpire--however similar or different they are from LaHaye's treatment of them--people will be inclined to go
DUH, YEAH, MAYBE THAT GUY LAHAYE WAS RIGHT AFTER ALL, I THINK I'D BETTER GET MY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD SQUARED AWAY ASAP.
I consider that quite a good result. More power to them.
BTW, God evidently has a more positive view of the series than even I do. So, who am I to throw rocks at it. God has used it profoundly. Praise The Lord.
And, I'm not the least bit bothered that it doesn't fit some starchy, rigid, fossilized, tiny, tidy little boxes of some religious spirit addicted folks who seem to be quite overly bound up in their denominational/creedal/doctrines of men little boxes.
Fascinating point!
Particularly from Dan!
I beg to differ.
Understanding that God would wrap all things up in a very dramatic, triumphant way many centuries hence would reaffirm the expectations they had had earlier about
The Messiah coming as conquering King.
It could have given them a sense of closure and comforting satisfaction that God Almighty in the Old Testament was really following through on a grand plan that had a grand finali which they could partake in, in their glorified bodies.
I'd think that would have made the considerable suffering sof their era quite a bit more endurable.
Goodness!
Is this a dream, a nightmare?
Am I agreeing more than once a millenium with Dan?
Dear God, please STAND BY ME--Jesus must definitely be coming soon!
This may be, however, I have it on good authority that his direct line descendants have been running the Social Security Administration these last 60 plus years.
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What, you mean because it's sold millions of copies? Heck, if that is true then God really likes gothic romance books . . . They sell by the ga-zillions . . . |
As for their speculations, I would probably agree. I've not (as yet) staked a claim in that regard, although I know where I'm leaning.
Still, I would strongly disagree with the readability. Some of the writing is just painful. I think it was 8 or 9 (I forget which book), I put down for months cause I just couldn't stomach it...
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