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To: Selous
Secondly, please point out, precisely, where I "dump" on His Holiness.

You don't. At least not directly. You posted a comment which appeared to me to imply that the reception of congratulations from Muslim countries reflected negatively on the Pope. If that was not your intention then I withdraw my comment.

You are also on shaky ground in assuming that they recognise the One, True, God. If you feel like running with that one, I'm in the mood for a good long argument on the topic.

I'm sure you are. And I'll resist your attempt to draw me into one. At least on this thread. Other than to say that the Church has spoken on this subject and I hold with Her pronouncements on this issue. Perhaps my meaning would have been clearer had I said that many Muslims recognize in JPII a man who sincerely longs for the face of God, truth, justice and peace. My comment was not intended as a commentary on what Muslims do or do not worship.

And, on Iraq, he was flat-out wrong. The remainder of your argument simply doesn't hold up. It runs parallel to the specious Liberal notion of.... "If only the nasty West would refrain from resisting Islamic tyranny, they'd really get to like us and stop trying to kill us"

Every passing day shows that the Pope was correct. Last Friday, the first of Ramadan saw the bombing of 5 Christian churches. If you are a Christian, living in Iraq, there is absolutley no question that life is much, much worse than before our intervention. The ultimate form of government for this country is far from clear. As for "resisting Islamic tyranny", I could write an essay on this. Beginning with the Catholic conditions for a just war and whether they were satisfied in this case, moving on through just what a secular dictator like Hussein had to do with Islamic tyranny and ending on how a faithful Catholic or Christian should resist Islamic tyranny.

If you look at the activity of the insurgents in Iraq and today's pronouncements from Zarqawi, for instance, I'd say we've given Islamic tyranny a helping hand.

32 posted on 10/18/2004 9:00:06 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

>> If that was not your intention then I withdraw my comment. <<

No, it was not my intention. You are gracious in acknowledging that and I thank you for so doing.

>> Other than to say that the Church has spoken on this subject <<

Sorry, the Church has not spoken. The Pope offered a prudential judgement to which any Catholic should give serious weight and consideration BUT with which we are not bound to agree nor to adhere

>> Muslims recognize in JPII a man who sincerely longs for the face of God, truth, justice and peace <<

Not at all what your earlier comment asserted. And please, please do some serious reading on Islam (no sarcasm intended). I mean this as a genuine enjoinder. The Holy Father KNOWS who God is and He is not to be found in the false religion of Muhammad. Somehow, you also appear, here, to draw a distinction between God and "justice and peace". I will do you the courtesy of assuming that this was simple, unintended tautology on your part.

>> Every passing day shows that the Pope was correct <<

No it doesn't. It does show that your country and mine and a few others are taking the fight into the enemy's territory (and I don't mean the Iraqi people) rather than allow them the initiative of doing so on ours.

As a former soldier who had to fight on his own home turf, believe me I know whereof I speak - you won't like it when it comes.

And, as to Zarqawi, do you really perceive him to be some sort of Iraqi, maquis-like figure defending his country against the imperialist aggressor? Need I remind you of the theicide being perpetuated in Sudan and the daily massacres of Christians in Pakistan, Indonesia, The Philippines and elsewhere. If you would care to send me your essay on the topic, I'll gladly critique it.

No, my friend, Zarqawi and his ilk have already proffered you the option. A mihrab or a coffin. You choose.


39 posted on 10/18/2004 2:22:02 PM PDT by Selous
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