[Destro]

Let me know what Ecumenical Council enshrined predestination and talks of elects and then I will withdraw my charge of heresy.

[stuartcr]

Exactly what does a charge of heresy mean? Is there punishment involved?

[packrat01]

Let me know when every Ecumenical Council convened by all (professing) Christian religions agree on every point. Until then, "your" Council will call things heresy that are not.

I'll stand by the 1689 confession:

Those whom God hath predestinated unto Life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call by his word, and Spirit, out of that state of sin, and death, in which they are by nature, to grace and Salvation by Jesus Christ; inlightning their minds, spiritually, and savingly to understand the things of God; taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them an heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and by his Almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his Grace.

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: