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To: P-Marlowe
I think I can fully agree with that statement. I believe that it is God's sovereign will that infants are saved even without any exercise of faith and that adults are saved through the exercise of faith. In all cases God's election is predicated on God's terms.

Yes, and in all cases, Regeneration precedes Faith; for Faith is God-pleasing, and the Bible adamantly teaches that while a Human is yet Unregenerate, he NEVER, EVER chooses to perform anything that is God-pleasing in any circumstance whatsoever.

18 posted on 10/15/2004 6:46:31 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; xzins; Corin Stormhands
It would be nice if we could emphasize our points of agreement.

1) Sinners are saved by God's free and sovereign grace in Jesus Christ, totally apart from any works of righteousness they perform or any supposed virtue in them.

2) Everyone who is saved — including all persons dying in infancy — is saved through being elected to salvation by God the Father, redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ, and regenerated or born again by the Holy Spirit.

I think we are in agreement there.

You added later that "regeneration precedes faith." Is regeneration and being born again the same thing. I have seen Calvinists argue both sides. From my recollection most seem to believe that regeneration precedes being born again and others argue that there is no difference.

Apparently the author of this article is of the opinion that regeneration and being born again are synonymous and that the order is: election, redemption and then regeneration.

In the case of an infant who dies in infancy, there does not appear to be any need for "regeneration" before redemption since there is no need to change the heart of the infant who dies to make it willing to exercise faith in order to be saved. The exercise of faith is irrelevant to an infant. It is not saved through the exercise of faith, it is saved because solely because of God's grace apart from anything the infant did or did not do.

43 posted on 10/15/2004 9:01:13 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

***Yes, and in all cases, Regeneration precedes Faith; for Faith is God-pleasing, and the Bible adamantly teaches that while a Human is yet Unregenerate, he NEVER, EVER chooses to perform anything that is God-pleasing in any circumstance whatsoever.***

Thanks for the ping, my friend. What the Arminian doesn't acknowledge when he asserts that infants are saved WITHOUT any exercise of faith and that adults are saved THROUGH the exercise of faith (exactly what they say and believe) is that they believe there are many paths to the Father, something Scripture explicitly denies.

WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE GOD. ~ Holy Scriptures

Therefore, those of us who are Sola Scriptura must reject Armininianism as unBiblical for its many explicitly unBiblical assertions. Arminianism clearly fails the test in regard to infant salvation. Arminianism must logically assert that every single infant, simpleton, and person who cannot "naturally" exercise faith be damned to hell. But, the Arminian understands that this logical conclusion to their beliefs is horrible. So, he just starts making up stuff contrary to the Bible.

Armianian: "Infants are saved even without any exercise of faith."
Bible: "Without faith it is impossible to please Him,...."

Unfortunately, I think the Arminians distate for God's Sovereign control of the destiny of all things, i.e. Predestination, blinds him to the many Biblical contradictions in his theology.

Perhaps the Arminian thinks that the salvation of infants is just unpleasing to God.

In the service of the Lord,
Christian.


84 posted on 10/17/2004 8:43:59 AM PDT by thePilgrim
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