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To: Colonel Kangaroo
That is teaching that the wicked have an early start on sin. That teaches that parents need to train their children early to avoid sin. Remember, the Bible teaches that young children are unable to choose between right and wrong.(Isaiah 7:16) Psalms 58 uses figurative language (which is proper for poetry) to make a point. Truth can be expressed in figurative or literal language. If one maintains that Pslams 58:3 is literal language, I ask if he has ever seen a talking newborn baby, much less a talking newborn speaking lies? A good hermeneutical rule is to consider scripture literal, unless literal interpretation would violate common sense. The idea of a talking, lying newborn violates common sense. Also one thing that Psalms 58:3 clearly teaches is that children are NOT born inheriting sin. Look at the phrase "they go astray". How can one go astray unless they started in safety? How can sins separate one from God, (Isaiah 59:1-2) unless one started life joined to God and without sin?

Nope. Psalm 58:3 teaches that Infants proceed from the womb, speaking Lies.

The Bible teaches that Infants are certainly capable of communication, as is demonstrated by the Biblical example of John the Baptist, who was regenerated in his mother's womb and thus leapt for joy in the presence of Mary pregnant with His savior (Luke 1:15,44). And, the Psalms teach us that from the very womb, the communication of Human Infants is wicked and deceitful.

Ergo, we see the Bible teaches:

Therefore, all Humans born of Adam, are Born into the world as Sinners against God.

Thus the Bible clearly teaches.

17 posted on 10/15/2004 6:43:41 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; Colonel Kangaroo

The point is whether it is a metaphorical or literal proposition that infants "speak lies."

Since infants don't speak, then they don't speak lies.

Speaking = verbalizing.

It's a metaphor, OP. Probably we'll disagree and this isn't worth carrying forward for me...the capabilities of infants are just too obvious, so the intent of the verse is too obvious.


19 posted on 10/15/2004 6:49:39 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
From Luke 1:13 we see that John was filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother's womb. That is no indication of the ability to sin. In fact, Balaam's mule spoke through God's power. (Numbers 22:27-33) These two special cases do not indicate that either babies or mules are sinful liars.

Remember, Isaiah 7:16 teaches that there is a time when a child does not know to choose good or evil, so we do not have to rely only on our common sense.

21 posted on 10/15/2004 7:04:41 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Therefore, all Humans born of Adam, are Born into the world as Sinners against God. Thus the Bible clearly teaches.

Except for those who die in infancy whom God has regenerated in the womb? Didn't you just argue that? Which is it? Are all born as "sinners against God" or are some born regenerated, but fated to die before being able to conceive of faith?

SD

26 posted on 10/15/2004 7:30:46 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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