Do the Father’s Support Scott Hahn's "Dragon" Theory?

The Remnant Newspaper | September 30, 2004 Issue | Robert Sungenis

[Land of the Irish]

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[PetroniusMaximus]

*** Adam was "fearing for his life" from a threatening dragon.***


Adam, being unfallen, would not even be able to conceptualize what "fear" was.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind


Hebrews 2

14Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, 15and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery.


Fear only comes after sin entered the picture.

[AAABEST]

Hahn is a motor mouth who puts himself forth as some sort of expert.

As a convert he should realize that Catholics don't just walk into the place and start spouting newfangled apologetics based on idiosyncratic ideas.

[HarleyD]

Don’t say that

I

didn’t warn you. The Scott Hahn Conversion Story

[Mark in the Old South]

Well I agree with you but I still feel compelled to point out the Apostles were converts and most of first century Christians. They did a pretty good job of it as I recall. Scott Hahn's views should stand or fail on their own merit not on his worldly status.

[Piers-the-Ploughman]

I wonder what the point of the speculation is.
Perhaps its in attempt to score points with Catholic "feminists" who after reading this might come into contact with works that are orthodox and not speculative.

[Campion]

As a convert he should realize that Catholics don't just walk into the place and start spouting newfangled apologetics based on idiosyncratic ideas.

Sungenis is just as much a convert as Hahn is.

The difference is that Hahn doesn't run a "apologetics ministry" which endorses geocentrism, plagiarizes anti-Semitic screeds written by Nazis, and sets itself up in opposition to the Pope. (A cursory search on Yahoo will demonstrate what I'm talking about.)

Bob Sungenis used to have a program on EWTN. They dumped him because of his views, which are a whole lot stranger than Scott Hahn's.

[AAABEST]

I'm happy for his conversion, but doesn't prevent the urge to stuff a sock in his mouth every time I see him yapping up his latest book and throwing around his off-the-wall opinions on a 2,000 year old religion.

He probably hasn't learned that we have the catechism, not do-it-yourself ministers with bright ideas.

[Mark in the Old South]

As a recent convert we are easy pray to the heady heights of our new faith. Drunk on the Holy Spirit if you will. It also becomes very obvious to us very quickly that many of the born and bred Catholic know squat about their faith. I am not making a generalization that is not true for many in other denominations as well. I can not tell you how many times a group of us are looking over literature or handouts that it took this newbie to notice it was sedevacantist or Fr Feeney or some other group some not so well known. There was one little book of prayers by "Little Debbie" of real dubious value that people were passing around full of praise. It is scary sometimes how susceptible Catholics can be. We have to use or discernment with everything and everyone, including the things Mr Hahn has to say.

[DannyTN]

"The simple fact is that Adam was duped into thinking that he could be as great as or greater than God, and in the process, he made God a liar and the devil a god."

I thought based on the scripture that "Adam was not deceived", that Adam wasn't duped at all. Rather Adam chose to share in the fate of his wife, based on his love for the woman. That decision meant rebelling against God. Adam should have at the very least consulted God to see what the options were, rather than automatically disobeying God.

[AAABEST]

IMO converts make some of the best Catholics we have.

[topcat54]

Suffice it to say, Hahn's conclusion is utterly false.

It's funny to watch these vestigial protestants snipe at each other over whose Bible interpretation is better.

Praise God, you can't take the protestant out of the boy.

[Mershon]

Why does the word "Fathers" have an apostrophe in it?

[Mershon]

Ad hominem. Let's address the texts, shall we? Your character assassination of Robert Sungenis has nothing to do with his Biblical scholarship. Too bad the same criteria isn't used in the Novus Ordo church or EWTN on Hahn's apparent "faulty scholarship."

The EWTN and Novus Ordo vendetta against Sungenis happened because he became a traditionalist. No ecumenism in the Novus Ordo Church for that now, huh?

[Land of the Irish]

It shouldn't. It's a typo on my part.

[sinkspur]

The EWTN and Novus Ordo vendetta against Sungenis happened because he became a traditionalist.

LOL!! Sungenis quotes directly from a Nazi pamphlet, as late as 2002, and throws in his lot with Holocaust Deniers.

It's all right here.

Sungenis, like Joe Sobran, can't keep their paleoconservative politics out of their religious discussions.

[Salvation]

do you have a live link to this article or did you type it in?

[Mershon]

Address the text of the article deacon. It would seem to me that you are not much of a Scott Hahn fan either, so why don't you address the textual analysis of the text in the article?

Ray Brown and Little Rock Scripture Study and Historical Criticism doesn't prepare one much to do that, does it?

By the way, deacon, how much study in Sacred Scripture did you have in order to become a deacon?

[Mershon]

Bill Cork? Please...