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To: AlbionGirl
Many folks love to want to believe (I am not knocking them) as you - that God's mercy will allow an exception to the rule. Only thing is, God does not change His rules as "the rule" - perhaps "the exception", but should we simply depend on Him to change His rules for our convience or peace of mind?

Any way, I would challenge that thinking with this: If He were to change His rule at all, it would need to be that new borns did not have Original Sin and therefore they go straight to heaven if they die unbaptised

If He allows exceptions, what are the absolutes and where does it stop?

And what about those who are not ministered to by a Missionary or Priest, who nevertheless have been touched by the Holy Ghost and believe? Even if their belief is not accompanied by full immersion in dogma, mainly due to an inablity to receive The Word. What happens to those people?

This is also a common question, I liken it to "what about the ignorant native in darkest Africa who never heard of God?

The short answer is that they will go to hell, OTOH, were God to see that they truly were sincere in their desire to know and love Him, He would, in His Divine Providence (btw also a defined dogma) send someone to Baptise and minister to them. IOW, He will never allow a sincere soul to die without the Sacraments, even if it means a miracle, after all, what is a miracle to God? This is God's Divine Providence. I disagree that God will make exceptions at our whim.

Most people seem to think that Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, Who is the Infinite God, never thought of or foresaw the predicament of "the native" living in 2004. And yet, in some later conversation, the same people will reassure themselves that "the hairs of our head are numbered," and - "He marks the sparrow's fall."

People generally were not taught, and so have no idea, of the rapid growth of the Church during the lives of the Apostles. They do not know that before the death of the last Apostle, St. John, the Faith had been brought to every part of the known world. This world-wide spread of the Faith is called "the miracle of diffusion." When the modern Catholic thinks of the early Christians at all, he thinks of them as being only a few in number, and that few as the poor and illiterate. But that is not so. The Church had great successes, even in its earliest days. In the centuries following the age of the Apostles, the Church continued to grow, despite the wholesale persecutions.

We know, then, that long ago the Faith was held and lost, in these lands where it had flourished so gloriously. Now, loss of Faith is always culpable. It is always man's fault, that is, when he has lost his God-given gift of Faith. That is the clear teaching of the Church. It is by man's sins - whether of neglect, sloth, indifference, worldliness, selfishness, vice - that he no longer believes.

And - and this is the significant fact with regard to the native - the sins of the fathers are visited upon their sons. "Like father , like son" is repeated for our reflection and chastisement in the stories of the human race in all generations. The sin of Adam and Eve is the "original sin" with which every child comes into the world, every man's inheritance from a sinful father. The sons of Cain were wicked men, as was their father. The cities of Babylon and Jerusalem tell that tale. Chanaan was cursed for the sin of his father, Cham. And on and on it goes. The men who followed Luther and Calvin, John Knox and Henry VIII, passed on to their children their sin. Their children are the Protestants of our day, whose fathers lost the Faith for them.

8 posted on 10/10/2004 6:55:31 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Stubborn; AlbionGirl

***Many folks love to want to believe (I am not knocking them) as you - that God's mercy will allow an exception to the rule.****


Does your position mean that EVERY unborn child who ever existed will never see the face of God? (Being as it is impossible for them to be baptized).


13 posted on 10/10/2004 7:29:43 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Stubborn
The short answer is that they will go to hell

Ever heard of Invincible Ignorance? This is not to mean that just being a good person sends you to Heaven, but it is within God's rights to show mercy to whoever he wants. Do these people go to Heaven or some sort of limbo? I don't know, but they are not all 100% condemned to Hell merely for the lack of belief.
232 posted on 10/23/2004 4:45:52 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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