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To: Stubborn

***I never once said that Baptism is salvation, I said, and quoted Jesus, that it is a necessary requirement for salvation.***


How can it be a REQUIREMENT for something (Salvation) that PRECEEDS it?

See Acts 10

"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"

The fact that they recieved the Spirit shows clearly that they were saved - saved by faith in Peter's message - right there while people watched.

Did the get baptised? No doubt. Was baptism a requirement for them to receive the Holy Spirit (i.e. the new birth)? Apparently not, because the received the Spirit BEFORE they were baptized.




I think, if you will carefully look at the scriptures, you will find that baptism is an act of obedience on the part of those who have turned from their sins and submitted their lives to Jesus Christ. These people have experience the miraculous change of heart refered to in the NT as the "new birth".

It is not the water that is important but the clear conscience before God that comes as a result of turning from sin and placing the whole weight of ones trust one Jesus and his death on our behalf.


66 posted on 10/11/2004 3:17:15 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

You base your belief on your private interpretation of scripture, which is in itself, contrary to scripture. At any rate, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he will not enter the kingdom of heaven".


67 posted on 10/11/2004 3:32:38 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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