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To: sempertrad
Well, can it not also be said that God's mercy is that he gave us water, by design the most plentiful substance on earth, even made it easy enough for even a small child to baptize - I mean, aside from not needing it at all, how much simpler could He have made it? I see that as being mercifull. He could have commanded that we needed to perform some rigorus task or even something hard, but in His Mercy, all He wants us to do is be sprinkled, dunked, immersed or sprayed, so long as that water touches us while saying the proper words with the proper intentions at the same time - could it be any easier?

Many years ago, my sister mis-carried in her 7th or 8th month, as soon as that baby's skin started to show, before it (he) was even fully out of the womb, the nurse, anxiously waiting, instantly baptised that infant because ya just never know. Well, perhaps these days they *would* know if and for how long the baby had been dead - but we never knew for sure if that baby made it to heaven or not - we never believed for sure that he made it but under the circumstances, to this day we hope God saw fit to allow him to be baptized before taking his soul.

If God saw fit to wait for that baby to be baptised before taking him, that baby is without one doubt, happy for all eternity in heaven, hopefully with my sister - if God however did not wait but instead took him hours or days? prior to the actual baptism, then we never believed that the baby went to heaven because no one makes it there with original sin - thats why baptism is so important. Its black or white, I fail to see that there can be another answer. We are all conceived with sin, no way around that, if God chooses to grant those infants with original sin into heaven, he never made mention of it and the Church has been cautiously quiet about it for a long time.

We simply cannot know why God would take a helpless baby out of this world at all, with or (God forbid) without Baptism. He has His own reasons - and we have hope, beyond that, we can only surmize our thoughts that perhaps in His mercy, He knew it was better to take that child out of this life than to allow him to be baptised then sin his whole life and end up suffering in Hell. That too would be mercifull. We will never know that till the next world.

38 posted on 10/11/2004 9:48:51 AM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Stubborn
Many years ago, my sister mis-carried in her 7th or 8th month, as soon as that baby's skin started to show, before it (he) was even fully out of the womb, the nurse, anxiously waiting, instantly baptised that infant because ya just never know.

Though you say it was many years ago, I'm very sorry for your family's loss.

How blessed your sister was to have the nurse she did! Sadly, I don't think there are too many who would have made baptism the top priority.

if God chooses to grant those infants with original sin into heaven, he never made mention of it and the Church has been cautiously quiet about it for a long time.

I wonder if it's possible that Our Lord allowed His Passion and death to suffice for all babies and children who would die without Baptism...

You offered good food for thought in your post. Thanks, Stubborn.
73 posted on 10/11/2004 6:38:08 PM PDT by sempertrad
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