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To: Stubborn

Stubborn wrote: "As far as Non-Catholics are concerned, I am bound by the church to believe that all those outside the church will go to hell when they die."

Just to be clear, you believe that non-Catholics all go to Hell because you believe that the Church has infallibly said so.

It follows, therefore, that you believe that the Cathechism of the Catholic Church, and the Teaching Authority of the Magesterium of the Church as well as the Pope are both in grave error, because they explicitly say the opposite of what you have said is infallible doctrine.

So, it's your interpretation of what it infallible versus the Pope's and the Magesterium's.

What is the status of a Catholic who directly and openly defies and contradicts and infallible doctrine of the Church? Does that Catholic damn himself to Hell?
Is the Pope doomed to Hell because he has asserted that all non-Christians do not go to Hell?


177 posted on 10/14/2004 6:28:20 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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To: Vicomte13
So, it's your interpretation of what it infallible versus the Pope's and the Magesterium's.

There is no interpretaion because the decrees are plain and unambigous by design. Interpretation.......or more accuratly, RE-interpretation is only necessary when the original decree is absolutly and positively re-formulated - as I am sure you'll agree.

179 posted on 10/14/2004 6:51:22 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Vicomte13
It follows, therefore, that you believe that the Cathechism of the Catholic Church, and the Teaching Authority of the Magesterium of the Church as well as the Pope are both in grave error, because they explicitly say the opposite of what you have said is infallible doctrine.

Well, I do believe that the Church is in turmoil. After all, we were warned to beware of false profits in sheeps clothing - not outwardly ravinous wolves. Its only a matter of time before God straightens things out.

What is the status of a Catholic who directly and openly defies and contradicts and infallible doctrine of the Church? Does that Catholic damn himself to Hell? Is the Pope doomed to Hell because he has asserted that all non-Christians do not go to Hell?

A Catholic who openly defies the Church is an Apostate and yes, should that person die in that state they will absolutely go to hell. As far as the pope is concerned, all I can say to you is that I do not believe everything I see and hear on TV. He is our Holy Father and it is our duty to pray for him because he NEEDS our prayers - not to knock him - ever.

182 posted on 10/14/2004 7:01:45 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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