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To: kosta50

Infants who are baptized believe in potentiality, but not actuality. They do have the infused virtue of faith, given at Baptism. Baptism is the Sacrament of Faith.

Limbo is not a condemnation of infants, but a recognition of their spiritual condition without the sacraments.

Humans are not born with grace. No grace, no eternal life.

The necessity of Baptism for all is one of the most universally witnessed teachings of the Fathers. I'm surprised to see it denied here.


110 posted on 10/12/2004 9:37:33 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Infants who are baptized believe in potentiality

Infants believe -- in potentiality? Hmmmm.

I will refer back to Mark: one must believe AND be baptized. Baptism by itself did not save anyone who didn't believe, macula or not on their soul.

Infants, by definition cannot believe, Hermann. I am surprized that anyone is even contemplating they do "believe" -- not in God, but in some potentiality.

Infants have no concepts, no words, no understanding; their life is a bundle of "feels good" or "feels bad" sensations.

God gave us free will, which enables us to turn to Him. If we choose to turn to darkness instead of God, we are the architests of our own perdition -- and it's is our doing, not God's. We are free to choose God or to choose sin. Infants are not free to choose anything

What God does with infants who die is an uncertainty and an unknown even to Catholic theologians. We trust that whatever God does is completely and always just and merciful, but we do not know the particulars of His decision.

111 posted on 10/13/2004 12:59:55 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; Kolokotronis
Humans are not born with grace. No grace, no eternal life

That is a little presumptious, don't you think? romans 8:32 suggests that you are. Even your own Church does not agree with what you potray as absolute truth here

Even the Cathecism of the Catholic Church

...thereby leaving room for a humble but spiritual conclusion that just because the Church is not aware of any other way of attaining salvation does not mean there aren't other ways known but to God.

And this fate does not apply only to the infants: it applies to people born before Christ; the autistic children; the fertilized egg; and so on.

113 posted on 10/13/2004 4:18:14 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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