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To: dangus
And the reason is that the Vatican State Department declared war on the allied coalition against Iraq.

Yep. JPII's minions, led by the despicable Archbishop Martino, accused the United States (and by implication, the entire coalition) of conducting a "criminal" war.

Lay the loss of Spain at the feet of the Eurotrash Cardinals of the Roman Curia.

3 posted on 10/05/2004 3:17:38 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I exist in the fevered swamps of traditional arcana. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur

This is a sidebar issue to this story, but liberalism is destroying the Catholic church and really the church everywhere, as it is bringing destruction to everything else in society.

Christian liberalism, in a nutshell states that doctrine and practice ought to adjust itself to a changing society, which is nonsense.

The Church, a living organism establish by God, should never change, especially in doctrine and practice, but should through the Grace of God change people and society, no matter the season, not the other way around.
People always seek a strong foundation to stand upon, not one that is ever shifting.

Liberalism would seek to rip the heart from the church and thus weaken it.

Sorry for the preaching, been doing it too long to change now...


4 posted on 10/05/2004 3:26:24 PM PDT by DSBull (Truth is the light of the World, shine it everywhere)
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To: sinkspur

Your tone seems sarcastic (I can't condone phrasing such as "JPII's minions," for instance), but yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

The Vatican State Department deliberately misconstrued statements out of Iraq, and distorted even the Pope's own words. If you read the Pope's statements about war in Iraq as the war was approaching, the first thing he said was that was was evil and the BEST WAY to prevent war was to end abortion. The State Department twisted that into sounding like a call for political activism against the politicians who supported the war, who in nearly every case represented their nations' moral conservatives. (Tony Blair being an obvious exception.)


8 posted on 10/05/2004 4:04:06 PM PDT by dangus
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To: sinkspur; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; ...

See post three. While the Tradbashers accuse me of Bashing JPII (Something I have NEVER done), they wink and nod at their own for posts like this. Blaming JPII for Spain is way off, imho.


18 posted on 10/06/2004 12:19:40 AM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. + http://www.alamo-girl.com/)
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