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To: CouncilofTrent
I dont understand why the Protestants get treated better than the SSPX.

Probably because, under Catholic terminology, a heretic is a Catholic who intentionally dissents from the faith. Protestants ceased being Catholics many generations ago and no longer have a Catholic faith from which to dissent. They do not even claim to be Catholic. OTOH, SSPX-ers usually are ex-Catholics who still claim to be Catholics, and only a few of them have been formally excommunicated. Since they claim to be Catholics, their potential for confusing the faithful is much greater than for Methodists, Episcopalians, etc. Accordingly, the Church needs to treat SSPX-ers in such a way as to make it clear the the faithful that these are heretics.

12 posted on 10/03/2004 7:12:02 PM PDT by SausageDog
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To: SausageDog

"the Church needs to treat SSPX-ers in such a way as to make it clear the the faithful that these are heretics."

Heretics for refusing to trade the Tridentine Mass for the NO? The Holy Father doesn't claim it; do you have authority to overrule him?


13 posted on 10/04/2004 1:31:17 AM PDT by dsc
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To: SausageDog

Unfortunately, you can't quote a single source of authority to back your assertion that Catholics who attend Mass celebrated by the Society of St. Pius X are heretics, so I'd appreciate it if you ceased the unwarranted calumny.


14 posted on 10/04/2004 3:47:34 AM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: SausageDog

SSPXers are considered schismatics, not heretics.


16 posted on 10/04/2004 5:34:53 AM PDT by kidd
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To: SausageDog
Since they claim to be Catholics, their potential for confusing the faithful is much greater...

The "faithful" couldn't be more confused about the Roman Catholic Church, which has degraded into something about as catholic as evangelical protestantism.

It is true that many Catholics are confused, especially when they travel about North America and Europe and find that the mass, even being said in the vernacular, is not uniform and not treated as anything sacred.

The ailing, frail Pope should have spent more time repairing the Catholic Church and restoring it to its once proud majesty as would befit the Church Jesus Christ left behind to nuture and instruct us until the Second Coming. Instead he has squandered his tenure on humanism and in ways unecclesiastical. There are many examples but a two that come to mind are embracing voodooism and sitting to observe bare-breasted polynesian lasses who danced for his entertainment.

Instead of working towards unraveling the web originating and consolidating after Vatican II and bringing sanity back to sanctuaries, he devoted much time to ecumenism by imitating and surpassing protestantism.

There was no sorting out by this Pope of the infestation of the priesthood by the communists and their homosexal allies. He deserves the snubbing by what some refer to as schisms.

When the time comes for this Pope and a few predecessors to account for what they have worked overtime to change on earth, their fate will not be a pleasant one.

18 posted on 10/04/2004 5:55:42 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: SausageDog

"...their potential for confusing the faithful is much greater than for Methodists, Episcopalians, etc."

Hymns written by non-Catholics denying the real presence and reflecting Protestant theology are greatly confusing to the Catholic faithful, since they are published in the OCP songbook used in a majority of Catholic churches in this country.

If you really want to see "potential for confusing the faithful" look at the drivel taught by the "theology" departments at many so-called "Catholic" universities.

I have yet to see any heretical pronouncements from the SSPX. For that matter, I doubt that most Catholics have even heard of the SSPX.


20 posted on 10/04/2004 6:51:36 AM PDT by rogator
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Re: "SSPX-ers usually are ex-Catholics who still claim to be Catholics, and only a few of them have been formally excommunicated."

Correction to the assumption above. There was no FORMAL excommunication of any SSPXer. The closest that anyone came was a letter sent 3 days after St Marcel Lefebvre consecrated the 4 Bishops. In this letter the Pope referred to his actions as de facto cause of excommunication, a point that is hotly debated on different threads. This can be debated again but I doubt anyone would claim this classifies as a FORMAL excommunication, which is a process that requires more than a single letter and more than 3 days to complete.
52 posted on 10/05/2004 11:02:36 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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