[FormerLib]

Now please answer my previous question and tell me if using condoms, birth control pills, and spermicides is permissible in the Orthodox Church, and also tell me whether this has always been the case or if these are new "rules".

I can state unequivocally that the Orthodox Church had no "rules" whatsoever on birth control pills prior to the existence of said pills. Funny how that works out.

[Conservative til I die]

I can state unequivocally that the Orthodox Church had no "rules" whatsoever on birth control pills prior to the existence of said pills. Funny how that works out.

Your obnoxiousness aside, I have already thrown a bone to this line of thinking and asked a) if the OC allows birth control pills (and other contraceptives) to be used, and b) if *since the existence of these contraceptives* has changed its teaching on them. That is, birth control goes into use say in 1940, and the Orthodox Church says no you can't use it until 1960, and then says yes you can use it.

Yet no one wants to actually answer simple questions that I am asking. Funny how that works out.