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To: Conservative til I die
"I disagree. A rule is a rule..."

St. Paul, in a famous passage, talks about all of the things he would do in order to save people -- he would do one thing to save one, and another to save another.

The Orthodox standard is that of a pious ascetic monastic saint, living "the angelic life." Next to that, all of us fall short and miss the mark, so the question is how we pursue our life-long attempt to get there. There is a combination of strictness and mercy that is the hallmark of good Orthodox father-confessors -- strictness in teaching (as strict as the hearer can bear without going into despair), and mercy in forgiving and allowing for shortcomings (in a way that will encourage and give tools to the faithful to do better in the future.)

The starting point that a father-confessor will take is not with do's and don'ts, but rather with laying the groundwork of a life of prayer, from which ever higher levels of ascetical struggle can be built. Trying to do it in the reverse fashion is like starting a building by constructing the roof first.

168 posted on 10/04/2004 9:49:21 PM PDT by Agrarian
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To: Agrarian
The starting point that a father-confessor will take is not with do's and don'ts, but rather with laying the groundwork of a life of prayer, from which ever higher levels of ascetical struggle can be built. Trying to do it in the reverse fashion is like starting a building by constructing the roof first.

Yes, exactly what I was trying to say earlier. Thank you for your much better words.

169 posted on 10/04/2004 10:12:27 PM PDT by MarMema (Sharon is my hero)
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To: Agrarian; kosta50

Yeah, Kosta, what Agrarian says! Besides, if our spiritual fathers didn't show mercy, all the Greeks would still be pagans. :)


171 posted on 10/05/2004 4:05:30 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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