Youth behind resurgence of ancient Catholic ritual

Chicago Daily Herald ^ | September 26, 2004 | Vincent Pierri

[SausageDog]

they can't imagine (much less face)the likely fact that Rahner, Kung, Schillebeeckx, Sobrino, Gutierrez, McCormick, et al. will not pass the test of time. And neither, frankly, will most of the "teachings" of Pope John's Council.

I was unaware the teachings of Vatican II contradicted any teaching of the previous 2,000 years. Care to elaborate?

[AAABEST]

From the ring leader (archleftist Bugnini) to the protestants who were allowed to help deconstruct the Catholic mass...

Bugnini

[GirlShortstop]

My question is this. Not having ever attended a non-authorized "Tridentine" Mass, who exactly do they pray for at this point in the Mass? Who claims the authority under Christ for it's celebration?

TotusTuus, I just came across this on Zenit:

A priest from Toronto asked about the proper way of mentioning the bishop or bishops in the Eucharistic Prayer.

The General Instruction of the Roman Missal, No. 149, addresses this point:

"If the celebrant is a Bishop, in the Prayers, after the words 'Papa nostro N.' (N., our Pope), he adds, 'et me, indigno famulo tuo' (and me, your unworthy servant). <snip>

"The diocesan Bishop or anyone equivalent to him in law must be mentioned by means of this formula: 'una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro N. et Episcopo (or Vicario, Prelato, Praefecto, Abbate)' (together with your servant N., our Pope, and N., our Bishop [or Vicar, Prelate, Prefect, Abbot]).

"It is permitted to mention Coadjutor and Auxiliary Bishops in the Eucharistic Prayer, but not other Bishops who happen to be present.<snip>

"In each of the Eucharistic Prayers, these formulas are to be modified according to the requirements of grammar."

The GIRM does not, however, specify what is to be done when a bishop, other than the ordinary, presides at a concelebrated Mass. <snip>

It is also customary only to mention the Pope's name, leaving out the numeral and to omit honorific titles such as cardinal.

It does not seem that the bishop emeritus (that is, retired) is usually mentioned unless he conserves the government of the diocese until a successor is named.

Masses celebrated while the Holy See is vacant omit the words "famulo tuo Papa Nostro N." (N. our Pope). A bishop's name is also omitted when the diocese is vacant or one celebrates while at sea or in other situations where there is no resident bishop.

Pax et bonum.

[bonaventura]

Your post seems to imply sedevacantism, which is not what the priests like those of the SSPX believe.

They, in fact, pray for the same Pope John Paul II and the local ordinary in their masses that the other priests of the diocese pray for. In fact, in some dioceses, they may be giving more honor to the Pope than the locals. I have seen in reported that in Milwaukee Archbishop Weakland (I don't even like typing that name) had ceased prayer for POPE John Paul II, and started saying John Paul II, Bishop of Rome in his mass. While doctrinally correct, he is the Bishop of Rome, I don't think that is point Weakland was making. His efforts to keep the Vatican out of his business in the name of collegiality are no big secret.

I feel it necessary to add that I, in fact, do not attend an SSPX chapel. My mass is approved by the local ordinary (whether he needs to or not is another argument, but it sure makes it easier on my conscience when he does). I simply do not wish to engage in attacks against the SSPX when there are so many others out there who actually dissent from Catholic teaching and remain "within the fold". Sooner or later, Our Lady's Immaculate Heart will triumph, and we will have much to thank Archbishop Lefevre for (I should also point out that he is largely responsible for the Church's growth in Africa during this past century, something he rarely receives credit for).

[GirlShortstop]

Your post seems to imply sedevacantism...

bonaventura, there isn't an implication to my post -- I simply wanted to share with TotusTuus what I came across last night when reading liturgy links from Catholic.com.  Reading it again this morning, I can see what you mean about sedevacantism though.  

Thanks for the background information on Weakland... if I hear a 'slip up' like that I'll probably think of him and wonder about the implication.  ugh.  Know thy enemy is the 'flip side' to that awareness I s'pose.  :-)  FReegards.

[bonaventura]

I think I misread your post. I have read it again after several cups of coffee, and you were just stating the norm for who is mentioned in the Canon.

My mistake, and thanks for the clarification.

There is a device that is attached to the vehicles of habitual alcohol driving offenders sometimes that they have to blow into to make sure that they do not test positive for alcohol before their car will start.

I think I need to install something like that on my computer- if my caffeine level is below a certain limit the keyboard doesn't work. Any entrepenuers out there to market this?

God bless.

[GirlShortstop]

...if my caffeine level is below a certain limit the keyboard doesn't work. Any entrepenuers out there to market this?

LOL!  A 'crazy' idea that just might work!  :)

God bless.

Thank you, and to you and yours, as well.

[nutmeg]

bump

[AskStPhilomena]

Here's a recent commentary from traditio.com that relates to this thread...
Since Vatican II the Newchurch has tried to make it out as if the Traditional Latin Mass were just for old foggies, but the Novus Ordo service is for the young and hip. That piece of deception is now being exposed by the secular press.

A recent article in the Daily Herald from the Chicago area unabashedly proclaimed: "Youth behind Resurgence of Ancient Catholic Ritual." It turns out that the young people are throwing over the steel guitars and vernacular for a connection with the real Mass. For "a growing number of young people, the ... traditional Latin Mass provides a connection to the divine unmatched by any contemporary service." They got that right! At a time when many dioceses are shutting down a significant number of churches because attendance at the Novus Ordo service is plummeting, to less than one in seven, traditional churches are seeing increases.

One Novus Ordo presbyter had to admit: "We're constantly bombarded with change, change, change. The Mass is like a rock, a source of stability in a noisy world." Well, isn't that what traditional Catholics, and the true Church, have said from the beginning? Some people are just 40 -- or 2000 -- years behind.

Sometimes looking at who your enemies are confirms the correctness of your position. And who are the enemies of the Mass and the Church quoted in the article? Why, one Crystal Chan, who is with Call to Action, an organization that wants to destroy the Roman Catholic Church by promoting lesbianism, "gay marriage," priestesses, wicca, and all the rest. "This isn't a trend we would welcome with open arms," she said. I should think not! Maybe a return to the true faith would "out" these pagans, who pose as "Catholics" in order to use the mechanism of the Church to destroy the Church.

And what about that Latin? Far from being a hindrance, the language is incorruptible by modern vernacular and serves as a unifying force across cultures. "It's really beautiful," says one 17-year-old.