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To: Vicomte13; Kolokotronis; monkfan; MarMema; katnip; Tantumergo; Cronos
I am glad to see that you, as a Catholic, recognize that people who are not even Christian can know of God the way we know of Him. This doesn't come as a surprise to an Orthodox Chirstian, who should believe that God made us all potentially His children. It is lovely that you posted these two sources, showing that even pagans of the old had a notion of one God, realizing that one should look beyond the created and seek the Creator; that all people have that capacity.

This is, rather, one of the deepest forms of pious reverence for God: to look at his handiwork and see in it the love of the Author.

Seeing His love, though, is not understanding it.

Western science, which is to say modern science, did not begin as a philosophy or as an alternative religion

Actually, it began as pagan philosophy. Greek philosophy and humanism where the driving force that culminated in the Age of Reason, in the West, glorifying, even deifraying man as a being capable of solving all problems. I am not so sure that the world is substantially better, or that our understanding of God is any more profound than that of Early Fathers because of science. If science, then, didn't deepen our knowledge of God, what good did it do for the faith?

I would describe it that your religion comes through your heart and mind, while the characteristic Western style of religion has come through the eyes to the heart. I do not think that your approach is bad or wrong, just different.

We know what love is, although no one has ever seen or measured it. Yet we all speak of love as something substantial and very much real. We have never seen justice either. Neither of these appears in nature to be observed and measured.

Perhaps you don't mind me sharing with you a few select short passages of St. John of Damascus Book I (from An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith")


180 posted on 09/29/2004 5:22:39 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: NYer


Ping...sorry I didn't include you on this one.


182 posted on 09/29/2004 5:27:08 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Vicomte13; Kolokotronis; Tantumergo
"It is plain, then, that there is a God. But what He is in His essence anti nature is absolutely incomprehensible and unknowable

Yes! This "unknowability", acknowledged in the West, is more fully developed in the East. All reality is enveloped in a sense of Mystery - some things may never be figured out.

This is seen in Maronite liturgical tradition in a very interesting way in the Monday weekday text. The memorial for this day is that of the Angels. In the Opening Prayer, the Celebrant prays:

O Eternal One,
though you are concealed from the angels in heaven,
you willed to assume a human body from mortal Adam.
Grant that we may join in the worship
of the heavenly choirs
and give you thanks and praise ...

Strange as it may seem at first to say that God is "concealed from the angels,", the Divine Liturgy is stating the essential truth about God, preserved so strongly in Eastern Tradition: God's fundamental unknowability, God's hiddenness. Even to the angels - who are, after all, creatures - God, the Infinite One, cannot ever be fully known. Yet, as the prayer recognizes, God has mysteriously shared something of the Godhead with us. With the angels, we become adorers of the Mystery.
Captivated By Your Teachings

185 posted on 09/29/2004 6:50:33 AM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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