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A Religious Pilgrimage to England
myself | 9/22/2004 | Pyro7480

Posted on 09/22/2004 8:47:46 AM PDT by Pyro7480

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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
I should read the whole thread before I fire off a question . . . :-D

Glad to see I wasn't off base.

21 posted on 09/22/2004 3:10:35 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: ELS; Pyro7480

Thanks for the ping ELS.

Excellent post Pyro - it almost makes me feel homesick!

Did you catch the name of the priest offering Mass? I can't tell from the picture who it is for certain - could be Fr. Ignatius Harrison.

You will have to let me know next time you're over - we could meet up at the "O".


22 posted on 09/22/2004 4:47:32 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Pyro7480

Some trivia for you re Fr. Faber:

When they disinterred his body to bring it back for burial at the Oratory, the coffin was completely empty apart from his patent leather shoes!!!


23 posted on 09/22/2004 4:50:56 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Pyro7480; NWU Army ROTC

"I think we talked about that before, and came to the conclusion that it was a Solemn Novus Ordo Mass. They usually don't have Solemn High TLM's there."

Correct - the main Sunday morning Mass is the Latin Novus Ordo. However because of the orientation, Gregorian chant, lack of sign of peace etc. many think they have stumbled into a Tridentine Mass.

(In fact you may find that the Canon used was from the 1962 Missal, but as it would have been sotto voce who would know???)


24 posted on 09/22/2004 4:56:11 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo

I don't remember who offered Mass, but I did hear Fr. Harrison lead Solemn Vespers on the Feast of Our Lady's Nativity on the 8th, via a BBC radio broadcast. The Oratory choir was absolutely beautiful, as always!


25 posted on 09/22/2004 5:58:29 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Pyro7480

Wonderful! Thank you for sharing your trip with us.


26 posted on 09/22/2004 6:07:53 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: Tantumergo
No dust or bones?

Wow. Was the crypt damp?

(I'm really not being irreverent - at least not on purpose. I studied archaeology in college . . . and even in damp conditions there's usually a "shadow stain" at the least - even after thousands of years.)

27 posted on 09/22/2004 6:10:20 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

"No dust or bones?"

Not a sausage, apparently!

"Wow. Was the crypt damp?"

Haven't a clue. And the priest who told me about it could venture no hypothesis at all.

Maybe Fr. Faber wasn't particularly turned on by relics and didn't want to take the chance?

;)


28 posted on 09/22/2004 6:29:10 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo
We once had a truck-train collision I investigated in which the only thing found in the truck cab were the driver's shoes (still laced up).

He was found about ten minutes later in a nearby bush. He was NOT injured seriously, much to everyone's surprise. He filed a workmen's compensation claim later, for which nobody blamed him much . . . :-D

Could be a statement about relics, for sure (do the shoes count as second-class relics? ;-) )

29 posted on 09/22/2004 6:35:57 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Pyro7480
What beautiful pictures!

In August of 2000 I was in Italy, and a family friend took me an my Mother to a Jubilee Celebratory Mass in Sulmona, which is the home of Ovid, IIRC. The town predates Christ by quite a few years and has a feel that is indescribable. The road to Sulmona is triumphal flanked on each side with those strange sort of Pine trees which are enormouly tall, but have no vegetation except at the very top.

Anyway, the Mass was a High Mass offered in Latin with a full array of Altar Boys and Priests of all ages. It was unbelievably beautiful, moving and reverent.

30 posted on 09/22/2004 6:40:44 PM PDT by AlbionGirl ('The faith that stands on authority is not Faith.')
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To: AnAmericanMother; Pyro7480
Those Americans who cannot travel to England might wish to make a pilgrimage to the new Our Lady of Walsingham Catholic Church in Houston, Texas (which is still under interior construction and adornment).



31 posted on 09/23/2004 11:19:08 AM PDT by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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As you might have noticed, the altar in the church in Texas is based on the altar in the Slipper Chapel.


32 posted on 09/23/2004 11:20:22 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Pyro7480

Yes, Granda of Spain copied it for them. The statue of Our Lady of Walsingham in Houston came from the Slipper Chapel as well. It was the copy used when the Statue of Our Lady of Walsingham blessed by the Holy Father had to be removed from the Slipper Chapel for repairs.


33 posted on 09/23/2004 11:23:39 AM PDT by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: Siobhan

Look closely at the picture of the Houston shrine-church: the window on the right is of Our Lady, holding a miniature of the holy house, appearing to Richeldis. Son Geoffry is depicted as a grown man behind her, holding the St George banner indicating that he became a crusader.

The Houston Church has a lady chapel the exact dimensions of the original holy house. On the tabernacle door there is a bas-relief of the Holy Family in Joseph's carpenter shop. The walls of the holy house shrine is built to the height of the house of Loretto, and the steep roof is supported by rough oak hammer-beams. The tiny chapel is wonderfully "home-like".


34 posted on 10/28/2004 5:31:35 PM PDT by Aunt Raven
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The church in Houston has been my solace during my visits to Houston during my son's illness and then travelling back there to see his doctors after his death. But I had not seen the tabernacle in the Holy House that you describe. No doubt it is beautiful as is everything about Houston's Walsingham.

Upon reflection, it is as if God the Father established that parish as a summary and a crown of every apparition of the Blessed Virgin. Does that make sense to you?

35 posted on 10/28/2004 6:53:45 PM PDT by Siobhan (Pray without ceasing.)
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To: Pyro7480
Our Lady of Walsingham [England]
36 posted on 09/24/2007 8:53:01 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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