[JohnnyM]

"Matthew 2:13 - And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him"

So does this until mean ever. Mary and Jesus did not stay in Egypt forever did they?

Your definition of until is sorely lacking.

JM

[Lilllabettt]

I am not saying that the word "until" can not be used in the other sense. I am saying that basing an arguement against the perpetual virginity of Maria on the evangelist's use of the word "until" does not carry water, because it does NOT necessarily imply that Joseph later knew Maria.

The meaning of the evangelist's words cannot be understood without interpretation, and then the question becomes whether one decides that one's own personal judgement is superior to that of the Church.