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To: Dominick
East and West agree we bear the consequences of the Original Sin

Correct. The consequence of the original sin is dying, not sinning.

Our Savior must have inherited the same consequence -- and died. That doesn't mean He commited sin. By the same token, Blessed Mary was born mortal -- yet the Church in the West holds that she never died. If she didn't die, she is divine. Yet, we know that she called her Son her Savior.

If anything, I would say that it is more likely Mary chose not to sin.

196 posted on 09/22/2004 5:40:32 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

"By the same token, Blessed Mary was born mortal -- yet the Church in the West holds that she never died."

That is not true. We hold that she died, but that she did not suffer the corruption of the grave.

"The consequence of the original sin is dying, not sinning."

It is more than just dying the natural death, it is the loss of grace as well which leads to the second death.

"If anything, I would say that it is more likely Mary chose not to sin."

We would agree with this but say that it was due to grace that she was able to choose not to sin.


228 posted on 09/22/2004 9:50:14 AM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: kosta50
By the same token, Blessed Mary was born mortal -- yet the Church in the West holds that she never died. If she didn't die, she is divine. Yet, we know that she called her Son her Savior.

This isn't what the Church teaches. Mary died, rose from the dead by the Mercy of Christ, and was reunited with her body and taken into Heaven. Elijah was taken while alive, and some hold St. John was taken as well.

Not dying is not the same as being divine.
241 posted on 09/22/2004 10:34:14 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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