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To: Tantumergo

I have a few questions. If Mary was sinless, then everything she spoke, thought, and did was without sin. If she spoke without sin, then nothing she said was erroneous. Do you agree? Would this mean that she was considered to have always spoken truth?

I also wonder about Mary's birth. If she was born without sin, would that not assume some blessedness to her parents? Are Mary's parents considered saints? Are they considered holy vessels of God? (since they bore the "Mother and Bride of Christ")

Can someone live a sinless life without being a diety?


119 posted on 09/21/2004 1:07:09 PM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: visually_augmented
I have a few questions. If Mary was sinless, then everything she spoke, thought, and did was without sin. If she spoke without sin, then nothing she said was erroneous. Do you agree? Would this mean that she was considered to have always spoken truth?

yes

I also wonder about Mary's birth. If she was born without sin, would that not assume some blessedness to her parents? Are Mary's parents considered saints? Are they considered holy vessels of God? (since they bore the "Mother and Bride of Christ")

Saint Joachim (4 B.C.) and Saint Anne (3 B.C.). Saint Joachim was the father of the Blessed Virgin Mary. His name is sometimes contracted into Heli or Eliacim, which means God has judged. God judged him to be worthy to be the father of the greatest of all God’s creatures. Saint Joachim’s wife was Saint Anne.

When Mary was born September 8, Saint Joachim knelt beside her for three whole days, looking upon her with awe and love and admiration. On September 12, he was inspired by God-as was Saint Anne, her mother –to give her the name Mary, which means both Lady and Star of the Sea. It was on September 15, the octave of Our Lady’s nativity, that Saint Joachim called his daughter Mary.

Saint Joachim was let known before his death that his child was to be the Mother of God. Mary was the only child of Joachim and Anne. Saint Joachim died when Mary was a consecrated virgin in the Temple of Jerusalem. She sent angels to guard her father in his last agony.

“Good Saint Anne” is the loving way many Catholics address the mother of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God. Mary, the Child of Saint Anne, was born fifteen years three months and seventeen days before the birth of Jesus. Fifty years after Saint Anne’s death, Saint Anne’s body was brought to France by Saint Mary Magdalen and her companions in the year 47. Countless churches have been dedicated to Saint Anne all over the world. Canada is particularly devoted to her, and has a beautiful shrine named for her there, called “Saint Anne de Beaupre,” to which people come from everywhere.

Simplicity is the secret by which we gain Saint Anne’s love, her intercession and her protection. Saint Anne taught her little daughter to read the Holy Scriptures. Mary was the fulfillment of all its prophecies. Sensing her daughter’s immaculate and incomparable holiness, beauty and brilliance, Saint Anne and Saint Joachim presented Mary in the Temple when she was three years old, and gave her to God and to us forever. The feast of this Presentation is November 21.

Can someone live a sinless life without being a diety?

I would like to say that with God all things are possible but in reference to your particular question, I would like to reference St. John the Baptist lived without sin.

The thing is, when we are born into this world with the Sin of Adam, even though that sin is removed through the Sacrament of Baptism, its remnant remains and is called the concupiscence of sin - or the tendancy toward sin. Not only was Our Lady created without sin, because of that fact, She was also lacking was any tendancy toward sin - ALL Her tendancies were toward God and humbly pleasing Him Her entire life.

122 posted on 09/21/2004 1:39:53 PM PDT by Stubborn (It is the Mass that matters)
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To: visually_augmented; Stubborn

"I have a few questions. If Mary was sinless, then everything she spoke, thought, and did was without sin. If she spoke without sin, then nothing she said was erroneous. Do you agree? Would this mean that she was considered to have always spoken truth?"

Mary would not have lied, but that doesn't mean she was omniscient. She was/is a human being and therefore her intellect would have been subject to ignorance like ours during her earthly life.

As to your questions about her parents, Stubborn has given some excellent answers to these in #122.

"Can someone live a sinless life without being a diety?"

Its not common, but Scripture does attest to this:

Lk 1,5 "In the days of Herod, King of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah of the priestly division of Abijah; his wife was from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6. Both were RIGHTEOUS IN THE EYES OF GOD, OBSERVING ALL THE COMMANDMENTS AND ORDINANCES OF THE LORD BLAMELESSLY."

There is also the case of St. John the Baptist who was sanctified from the womb:

Lk 1,15 "for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He will drink neither wine nor strong drink. HE WILL BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT EVEN FROM HIS MOTHER'S WOMB, and he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God."


137 posted on 09/21/2004 3:26:08 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: visually_augmented

According to Scripture, Job committed no sins (Job 1), and the parents of John the Baptist also committed no sins (Luke 1).

They had the inherited sin of Adam, but they lived lives free of actual sin.


139 posted on 09/21/2004 3:31:06 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Auta i Lome!)
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