[Fifthmark]

Are you capable of responding to one person alone, or must you always include others? Concerning St. Philomena, I am disinclined to dismiss a Saint who has been widely embraced by most of the Church for two centuries prior to 1970 when the new Calendarium Romanum removed her feast day and whose cult was held in the highest honor by the likes of St. John Vianney, Bl. Pius XI, and St. Pius X. There is also a proponderance of documented miracles attributed to her intercession, which is what led to her cult in the first place. The following may interest you:

http://www.sacramentals.com/sacramentals.org/StPhilomena.htm

[BlackElk]

I originally posed to another a request for documentation as to the facts of the actual life of the first century young girl with the fractured skull who is, on apparently dubious evidence, supposed to be Philomena and further supposed to have a specific history leading to martyrdom. I did not deny that such evidence might exist. I asked one of her apparent partisans (not you initially) to provide the facts and documentation. You decided to enter that conversation. Fine. I posed the same question to you, as I recall.

For all of this, I receive your complaint that I am talking to more than one person.

If I ping others, that is not your business. No one died and left you in charge of determining which other people (other than you since I do have manners) I should ping. We seem to be in anarchy on FR for the time being even as to whether we may effectively insist on not being pinged by others.

You have refused my now withdrawn offer to cease conversation by way of pinging each other. If you are complaining that I pinged someone else (not you) to whom I posed the question of Philomena, you have no standing to make such a complaint.

I also note that you prvide nothing in the way of the reuested material to back the claims that this girl was someone named Philomena, much less any documentable facts of her life to underlie the claim of her sainthood based on her life. You reference only that, about eighteen hundred years after the death of her whose remains have been found, Church officials saw to her canonization. I knew that but not why.

I had not known that she had been withdrawn from the Church calendar in about 1970. Has she also been withdrawn from the honors of the altar? As a non-person? As one not provable? I actually have no idea. Facts? Documentation? Usable links?