[diamond6]

Are you saying you're going to leave the church? Leave the Eucharist? I love this sacrament too much to leave it for the sins of its leaders.

I am speaking only for myself, I would never leave the church, even if most of its hierarichy turned corrupt. God said that he would never leave his church, even if the Gates of Hell came upon it, and if God will always be with His church, I'll never leave.

I'd like to say something else, and I apologize if I sound like I'm lecturing, I don't mean to, I'm just passionate. I believe there is an intense spiritual battle going on, and I mean with angels and devils.

These bishops have big fat bullseyes on their backs. And the rest of us will never know the spiritual warfare they battled or what they went through till probably we're on the other side. Its easy for us to sit back and judge when I know that I will probably never be attacked like that. The devil knows each of us and all of our weaknesses, and boy does he go after them.

Have you ever heard of the battles that Padre Pio or Saint John Vianney went through with these spirits, its frightening.

I want to post something that I sometimes put on threads like this:

"It is said that one day having celebrated the Holy Sacrifice, the aged Pontiff Leo XIII was in conference with the Cardinals. Suddenly he sank to the floor in a deep swoon. Physicians who hastened to his side feared that he had already expired, for they could find no trace of his pulse. However, after a short interval the Holy Father rallied, and opening his eyes exclaimed with great emotion: "Oh what a horrible picture I was permitted to see!" He had been shown in spirit the tremendous activities of the evil spirits and their ravings against the Church. But in the midst of this vision of horror he had also beheld consoling visions of the glorious Archangel Michael, who had appeared and cast Satan and his legions back into the abyss of hell. Soon afterward he composed the well-known prayer.

The Church is going through a terrible tribulation, and we should be praying FOR our bishops and priests.

God bless you Publius6961 and your journey!

[Talking_Mouse]

The Church is going through a terrible tribulation, and we should be praying FOR our bishops and priests.

Thank you diamond6 that is exactly what we need to be doing daily.

[Mark in the Old South]

Re: "Have you ever heard of the battles that Padre Pio or Saint John Vianney went through with these spirits, its frightening."

You raise a good point and I agree that we should pray for our Bishops, Novus Ordo and SSPX alike what ever side we feel closest toward. My point of difference is on the point of criticism, I take it you disapprove of the complaints some make of these bishops actions.

I think criticism, if valid, is not just justified but required. I believe Holy Writ supports me in this. You are right they face great struggles with evil as the above quote from you illustrates very well. My problem is not so much with the Bishops who fight against evil and loose a fight or two with their own natures but with the ones who never put up a struggle but surrender at the first sight of desire. St Pio and St John Vianney were made saints because they fought the fight not because they gave up. From the look of things I think it is fair to suggest a few of our Bishops gave up.