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To: stop_killing_unborn_babies
Glad to hear you admit that evilution has been inudated with fraud from the beinning, not many will admit to frauds.

It's hard to take you seriously when you say "evilution". It would be like me calling you a "cretinist".

And there have been frauds. Piltdown man was another fraud. It was exposed by scientists, and science moved on. False data and outright frauds in any scientific field tend not to last long, because the peer review process usually weeds them out quickly.

The textbooks that include Haeckle's drawings and premise of each stage of embryonic development depicting evilutionary stages do indeed present them as non-fraudulent by default, simply by their inclusion of them.

Heckel fudged his drawings to lend credence to his hypothesis. His hypothesis was falsified long ago, thus making his fudging irrelevant. His drawings were still considered useful, because they were still reasonably accurate depictions of embryonic stages, and moreover the 'fudging' that he did do wasn't relevant, because they weren't being presented to support his false hypothesis anymore. Now that it's been discovered that he fudged the drawings, they're being replaced with more accurate depictions. That he did not represent the drawings accurately has not demolished the theory of evolution, it hasn't even weakened it. His drawings are not and never have been a foundation for the theory of evolution, and the fudging that he did do was completely irrelevant to the point of having them included in more recent textbooks.

Certainly you don't think there are no textbooks that don't include those fraudulent drawings and premise, do you?

No, I don't. You've not cited a single textbook that presents Heckel's drawings in the context that he originally intended, so you've failed to demonstrate that his false premise is still being pushed. You are a liar for suggesting that it is.

With the amount of fraud in evilutionary teaching certainly you can't think that.

What fraud? You present an example of one man who fudged data to support a hypothesis that was tossed out a century ago and use this as "proof" of a vast conspiracy. You're ranting like a loon, and you're certainly not being insightful.
238 posted on 08/30/2004 12:03:03 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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240 posted on 08/30/2004 12:05:37 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Dimensio
Heckel fudged his drawings to lend credence to his hypothesis. His hypothesis was falsified long ago, thus making his fudging irrelevant. His drawings were still considered useful, because they were still reasonably accurate depictions of embryonic stages, and moreover the 'fudging' that he did do wasn't relevant, because they weren't being presented to support his false hypothesis anymore. Now that it's been discovered that he fudged the drawings, they're being replaced with more accurate depictions. That he did not represent the drawings accurately has not demolished the theory of evolution, it hasn't even weakened it. His drawings are not and never have been a foundation for the theory of evolution, and the fudging that he did do was completely irrelevant to the point of having them included in more recent textbooks.

Certainly you don't think there are no textbooks that don't include those fraudulent drawings and premise, do you?

No, I don't. You've not cited a single textbook that presents Heckel's drawings in the context that he originally intended, so you've failed to demonstrate that his false premise is still being pushed. You are a liar for suggesting that it is.>/i>

Best single discussion of the Heckel drawings ever.

242 posted on 08/30/2004 12:08:02 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Dimensio
Heckel fudged his drawings to lend credence to his hypothesis.

Haeckle didn't just "fudge" those drawings, they were completely fabricated to fit his false premise. That has been known for a long time. It is patently dishonest to have included fraudulent drawings in textbooks for over a 100 years knowing they were fraudulent.

245 posted on 08/30/2004 12:11:24 PM PDT by stop_killing_unborn_babies (Abortion is America's Holocaust)
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