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To: dsc
I don't even really see that it's an important question.

It is a fundamentally important question, in fact the most fundamental and the most important. This question places before you 2 world views: Creation or Hegelian Dialectic. You can't have it both ways.

To illustrate one important area where this choice of philosophies is crucial: Catholic moral theology is based upon the principle of teleology in which each thing is created by God for a purpose. Thus creation and purpose go together like peanut butter and jelly. But once you remove creation, then you also remove purpose.

Objects in a hegelian dialectical system do not have a purpose. They simply reflect the current status of the process. What darwinists hate most of all is any sort of teleology. To claim a purpose in a Darwinian process is to place yourself outside the pale of publishable scientists.

Today in modern philosophy there is a desperate attempt to create a new teleology without reference to creation. It has been a doomed and misguided project. There is no teleology without creation, and so there is no natural law and no morality without creation.

216 posted on 08/30/2004 9:46:48 AM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
This question places before you 2 world views: Creation or Hegelian Dialectic. You can't have it both ways.

False dichotomy fallacy.

What darwinists hate most of all is any sort of teleology. To claim a purpose in a Darwinian process is to place yourself outside the pale of publishable scientists.

No, it isn't. If an underlying purpose can be detected through observation, then purpose can become part of the theory. Until such a thing is observed, ascribing purpose to the process is merely a non-scientific venture, but it's not fundamentally wrong.
217 posted on 08/30/2004 9:56:17 AM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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