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Vatican accepts evolution as fact
Fatima Perspectives ^ | August 24th 2004 | Chris Ferrara

Posted on 08/28/2004 9:10:46 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena

In what appears to be its latest capitulation to worldly wisdom, the Vatican apparatus now assumes (contrary to the teaching of Pius XII in Humanae Generis) that the evolution of men from animals is a proven fact.

On June 24, 2004 Zenit.org reported that "Vatican Observatory has convoked a range of experts to reflect on a question that at times seems to be forgotten in scientific research: Is there purpose in evolution?" That is, evolution is now assumed to have occurred, and the only debate is over whether it has a purpose. The Vatican called a symposium of experts to meet on June 24-26 to discuss whether evolution has a "purpose."

The Vatican Observatory’s announcement of the symposium states that "in scientific circles, there is a very deep-seated distrust of teleological language, even though researchers may occasionally use the word ‘design’ in an attempt to grapple with the often astonishing adaptive complexes they study … Put crudely, the widely accepted scientific worldview is that human beings or any other product of evolutionary diversification is accidental and, by implication, incidental."

Well, that’s right, of course. And what is the Vatican’s response to this worldview? Read it for yourself, if you can believe it: "The purpose of this symposium is not to dispute this worldview, but to inquire whether it is sufficient and, if it is not, to consider what we need to know and ultimately how we might discover the requisite information with one or more research programs." So, the Vatican does not dispute the view that the emergence of human life is merely incidental to the process of "evolution," whose truth is now apparently assumed.

The symposium (whose results have not yet been published) was asked to address five questions:

-- Can we speak of a universal biochemistry?

-- How do levels of complexity emerge, and are they inevitable?

-- Can we properly define evolutionary constraints?

-- What does convergence [different species displaying the same traits] tell us about evolution?

-- What do we mean by intelligence? Is intelligence an inevitable product of evolution?

Notice that every question presumes that evolution has, in fact, occurred, even though there is abundant evidence showing no gradual transition from one form of life to another (as evolution supposes), but rather the sudden appearance of every basic form in the fossil record, which is precisely what one would expect to see if God directly and specially created each kind, as the Book of Genesis recounts.

In Humani Generis Pope Pius XII warned that "the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which through generation is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own."

Moreover, Pope Leo XIII taught in his encyclical letter Arcane Divinae Sapientiae (Christian Marriage) that Adam and Eve, and they only, are our first parents and that Eve was created from Adam's body:

We record what is to all known, and cannot be doubted by any, that God, on the sixth day of creation, having made man from the slime of the earth, and having breathed into his face the breath of life, gave him a companion, whom He miraculously took from the side of Adam when he was locked in sleep. God thus, in His most far-reaching foresight, decreed that this husband and wife should be the natural beginning of the human race, from whom it might be propagated, and preserved by an unfailing fruitfulness throughout all futurity of time.

The Church says that no one may doubt these things. Yet how can these things be reconciled with the view that Adam and Eve (and who knows how many other humans) "evolved" from apes and that Eve was not formed from the body of Adam, as the Vatican now seems to suppose, in calling for a symposium to discuss the "purpose" of evolution.

So the question must be asked: Do those who are in charge of the Vatican’s approach to "modern science" still believe in what the Church teaches concerning the origin of the human race? Or are we witnessing yet another sign of the great apostasy in the Catholic Church beginning at the top, which was predicted by the Third Secret of Fatima?


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241 posted on 08/30/2004 12:05:40 PM PDT by stop_killing_unborn_babies (Abortion is America's Holocaust)
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To: Dimensio
Heckel fudged his drawings to lend credence to his hypothesis. His hypothesis was falsified long ago, thus making his fudging irrelevant. His drawings were still considered useful, because they were still reasonably accurate depictions of embryonic stages, and moreover the 'fudging' that he did do wasn't relevant, because they weren't being presented to support his false hypothesis anymore. Now that it's been discovered that he fudged the drawings, they're being replaced with more accurate depictions. That he did not represent the drawings accurately has not demolished the theory of evolution, it hasn't even weakened it. His drawings are not and never have been a foundation for the theory of evolution, and the fudging that he did do was completely irrelevant to the point of having them included in more recent textbooks.

Certainly you don't think there are no textbooks that don't include those fraudulent drawings and premise, do you?

No, I don't. You've not cited a single textbook that presents Heckel's drawings in the context that he originally intended, so you've failed to demonstrate that his false premise is still being pushed. You are a liar for suggesting that it is.>/i>

Best single discussion of the Heckel drawings ever.

242 posted on 08/30/2004 12:08:02 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: stop_killing_unborn_babies; Dimensio

"With the amount of fraud in evilutionary teaching certainly you can't think that."

Although not fraud specifically, one could also mention Charles Lyell's spurious "geological dating" of strata presentation to the Royal Society, which relied on the circular reasoning of fossils being used to date rocks based on the length of time required for them to fit into a theory of evolution!


243 posted on 08/30/2004 12:08:47 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: stop_killing_unborn_babies
Certainly you don't think there are no textbooks that don't include those fraudulent drawings and premise, do you?

Do you, or do you not, have a currently used textbook with such claims? Reference it please.

With the amount of fraud in evilutionary teaching certainly you can't think that.

A small handful of ancient frauds among millions upon millions of pieces of evidence? Wow, must be a real conspiracy among all those millions of working scientists, huh?!

244 posted on 08/30/2004 12:09:16 PM PDT by balrog666 ("One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -- Heinlein)
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To: Dimensio
Heckel fudged his drawings to lend credence to his hypothesis.

Haeckle didn't just "fudge" those drawings, they were completely fabricated to fit his false premise. That has been known for a long time. It is patently dishonest to have included fraudulent drawings in textbooks for over a 100 years knowing they were fraudulent.

245 posted on 08/30/2004 12:11:24 PM PDT by stop_killing_unborn_babies (Abortion is America's Holocaust)
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To: js1138
Certainly you don't think there are no textbooks that don't include those fraudulent drawings and premise, do you?

No, I don't.

Glad to see you all agree there are still textbooks that dishonestly include Haeckle's fraudulent drawings and premise.

Since you agree, there is no need to cite any.

246 posted on 08/30/2004 12:15:25 PM PDT by stop_killing_unborn_babies (Abortion is America's Holocaust)
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To: stop_killing_unborn_babies
Haeckle didn't just "fudge" those drawings, they were completely fabricated to fit his false premise.

Wrong again.

That has been known for a long time. It is patently dishonest to have included fraudulent drawings in textbooks for over a 100 years knowing they were fraudulent.

Not if they were to illustrate why they were previously included.

So now, where's that textbook? Or were you just lying for the shock value of such a claim?

247 posted on 08/30/2004 12:15:28 PM PDT by balrog666 ("One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -- Heinlein)
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To: stop_killing_unborn_babies

Since I was clearly quoting another post, you might respond to the author.


248 posted on 08/30/2004 12:16:55 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: stop_killing_unborn_babies
Glad to see you all agree there are still textbooks that dishonestly include Haeckle's fraudulent drawings and premise.

Wrong again. Unlike you it's not dishonest.

Since you agree, there is no need to cite any.

You mean you did lie originally about having a fraudulent textbook? Come on, we know, just say it so we can move on from here.

249 posted on 08/30/2004 12:17:32 PM PDT by balrog666 ("One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -- Heinlein)
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To: stop_killing_unborn_babies
Haeckle didn't just "fudge" those drawings, they were completely fabricated to fit his false premise

So you're saying that the drawings that he made bear absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to actual embryonic states?

Let's compare Haeckel's human embryo drawing with an actual human embryo (lowest one). Someone want to tell me that Haeckel's drawings are total fabrications, bearing no resemblance whatsoever to reality? What about the chick or the pig drawings compared to their real-world counterparts (second and third rows, respectively).

I notice that you're not actually trying to argue against evolution. You're desperately clinging to this one point in the hopes that you can tear down a theory that has stood for over 140 years based upon one man's fraud that his own peers forced him to admit.
250 posted on 08/30/2004 12:18:55 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: stop_killing_unborn_babies
Since you agree, there is no need to cite any.

No we don't and you continue to lie.

251 posted on 08/30/2004 12:19:27 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Tantumergo
Although not fraud specifically, one could also mention Charles Lyell's spurious "geological dating" of strata presentation to the Royal Society, which relied on the circular reasoning of fossils being used to date rocks based on the length of time required for them to fit into a theory of evolution!

While not outright fraud, it is irrational and self-serving to "teach" as fact Lyell's method of dating(still employed and taught as reliable today).

252 posted on 08/30/2004 12:19:27 PM PDT by stop_killing_unborn_babies (Abortion is America's Holocaust)
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To: Dimensio
D'oh. I didn't see that those were individual images, and I just linked to a fish in development. See the real pig,chick and human here.
253 posted on 08/30/2004 12:20:55 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: Tantumergo
Although not fraud specifically, one could also mention Charles Lyell's spurious "geological dating" of strata presentation to the Royal Society, which relied on the circular reasoning of fossils being used to date rocks based on the length of time required for them to fit into a theory of evolution!

Ah, the old canard that "the rocks date the fossils and the fossils date the rocks". No matter how often you explain that it's not true, creationists still repeat this lie.
254 posted on 08/30/2004 12:22:02 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: js1138

Why is it that some people can never stop telling the same lie, over and over again, long after they know it is a lie? Or even admit that they made a mistake? Over and over again, of course.


255 posted on 08/30/2004 12:23:32 PM PDT by balrog666 ("One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -- Heinlein)
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To: Dimensio
Someone want to tell me that Haeckel's drawings are total fabrications...

Sure, I'll be happy to.

Haeckle's drawings were complete fabrications to fit his false premise.

256 posted on 08/30/2004 12:27:42 PM PDT by stop_killing_unborn_babies (Abortion is America's Holocaust)
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To: stop_killing_unborn_babies
Haeckle's drawings were complete fabrications to fit his false premise.

You didn't answer my other question. I asked if you really believed that his drawings did not, in any way, represent reality.

I'm not surprised that you ignored the question, mind you. You seem utterly uninterested in honesty or integrity. You seem more interested in clinging to whatever half-truths or even outright lies you can find that will let you prop up your bogus claim that all of the theory of evolution is based on fraud.
257 posted on 08/30/2004 12:30:04 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: Tantumergo
Although not fraud specifically, one could also mention Charles Lyell's spurious "geological dating" of strata presentation to the Royal Society, which relied on the circular reasoning of fossils being used to date rocks based on the length of time required for them to fit into a theory of evolution!

In items I have dealt with isotope dating is used, this is because the rate of decay of isotopes is well known, and easily calculated based on physical properties.

Strata location is a shortcut used to save time, but often for things I have dealt with, unreliable.

Diffusion also gives us a good clue on age> The longer something has been in a certain type of material, the more of that material migrates into the object. Petrified wood is an example of carbon in wood being replaced with silicon.
258 posted on 08/30/2004 12:30:18 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: stop_killing_unborn_babies
still employed and taught as reliable today

Well there you go. They are reliable, as far as they go. But they are augumented by at least fifty independent measures of age.

259 posted on 08/30/2004 12:31:10 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: balrog666
Why is it that some people can never stop telling the same lie, over and over again, long after they know it is a lie? Or even admit that they made a mistake? Over and over again, of course.

Darned right, those whacked out evilutionists have been doing exactly that for over a 100 years.

Obviously they follow the axiom that if you tell the lie of evilution long enough and loud enough people will begin to believe it.

In the beginning was nothing, and then it exploded and evolved, the BIG LIE.

260 posted on 08/30/2004 12:32:39 PM PDT by stop_killing_unborn_babies (Abortion is America's Holocaust)
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