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To: sitetest
We really don't know what the story is.

Mary Therese Helmueller, a Burke friend, apparently knows what the story is, and wrote the Papal Nuncio over it.

One can always repent over anything. But the fact that this is "confidential" and there "is more here than meets the eye" simply confirms the story to me. What is intrinsically disordered to Sister Julie now may not have been when she had the surgery. So, she's had a conversion.

If it's OK now to accept repentant transgendereds into religious orders, why not come out and say so? If Rome says it's OK, then let's say it.

Would you go to confession to a transgendered priest?

98 posted on 08/27/2004 7:44:30 AM PDT by sinkspur ("What's the point in being Pope if I can't wear the tiara?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur

Dear sinkspur,

You presume far too much.

I don't care if Ms. Helmueller is Archbishop Burke's friend or not. That doesn't mean she knows the whole story. In fact, she may have overheard snippets of things and badly mangled the truth by badly putting together individual facts in ways that they don't actually relate one to the other.

"One can always repent over anything. But the fact that this is 'confidential' and there 'is more here than meets the eye' simply confirms the story to me."

Then you have made leaps of logic not justified by the facts. I don't care to speculate, but I can think of at least one or two circumstances that could have given rise to this story, but nonetheless wouldn't support the view that this is a "transgendered" person.

As to "accepting transgendered persons into religious orders," there is an inherent difficulty related to the priesthood that don't present in mere admittance to religious orders. An individual born a woman who has surgery to "become" a man is not ontologically a man, and thus cannot be validly ordained.

This is an insuperable difficulty not present in merely accepting someone into a religious order.


sitetest


100 posted on 08/27/2004 7:52:49 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: sinkspur
Did you ever hear of a hermaphrodite? I have and have had the experience of knowing all of the information contained in the person's medical records from birth to the point that I became involved. I was necessarily involved because the person was an employee at a hospital where I worked in Human Resources.

I saw what can happen when people fed with half truths,some lies,some facts,preconceived notions and imagination decide to expose an unwary,unprepared, relatively innocent fellow employee. It was brutal.

I can only say,that if there is one Catholic on this thread, knowing all the facts,who would not have understood and prayed and fought for that hermaphrodite,then that catholic does not know,love or serve God.

I cannot know that the nun in the case in point mirrors the case I have described but reading what Archbishop Burke said,and looking at how he has carried out the duties and responsibilities of his office,I would say the Archbishop was following Christ, just as the Successors of the Apostles were asked to do by Christ Himself.

108 posted on 08/27/2004 11:01:14 AM PDT by saradippity
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